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Shut down the war machine! Actions for Gaza this weekend

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Demonstrations against Israel's slaughter in Gaza continue across Aotearoa this weekend.

Auckland:

Rakon Industries in Mt Wellington will be targeted in a protest this Saturday against the massacre of Palestinian civilians.
Rakon provides crystal oscillators for targeted bombs used by the Israeli air force in their attacks on Gaza. The Rakon parts are supplied to the US which provides the bombs directly to the Israeli military. The protest will meet at 3pm on Mt Wellington Highway outside the Sylvia Park shopping centre carpark for a march to the company. [More]

Christchurch

This Saturday at 12pm a diverse range of political, community and religious groups (as well as individuals) will be holding a demonstration against the brutal Israeli assault on the people of Gaza, starting outside the Canterbury Museum before marching to Cathedral Square. [More]

Dunedin

Dunedin rally for peace in Gaza this Saturday, noon in the Octagon, Dunedin, Demonstration and Vigil in Support of the people of Gaza and Palestine. [More]

Links: Worldwide Protests Escalate in Response to Israel's Ground War on Gaza | Palestine News Network | International Middle East Media Center | IMC Israel

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Re: Shut down the war machine! Actions for Gaza this weekend

There you go. You all will happliy bleat on about how poor Gaza is, but you forget the crimes that the Palastinians have done upon the Israelies.

Hypocrits.

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You bleat on about how poor Israel is but you forget the crimes that the Israelis have done upon the Palestinians. Hypocrite.

I have been to Palestine and Israel in 2004. I saw the complete injustice quite clearly. For example the family we stayed with in Ramallah had recently been bombed, were only allowed water by the Israeli Government for three days a week. Driving around you could see many of the water tanks on Palestinian roofs had been shot out by Israeli soldiers/settlers and were now completely useless. Around the city were illegally built Israeli settlements with expensive new houses guarded by armed soldiers who looked about 18 years of age. All entry in an out of the city was through armed, Israeli-controlled check-points with a large 20m high concrete wall (some Israelis call a 'fence') illegally built on Palestinian land, with gun turrets and razor wire and roaming tanks...

We visited two kibbutz over the next days where people were having fun in swimming pools drinking coca-cola and complaining about how dirty we were.

I am disgusted with Israel's ongoing occupation of Palestine and the recent massacres of imprisoned people in Gaza. You would think that a people who have been treated so cruelly throughout history would know better to not turn and do the same to another people. You would think....

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There're no death camps in Israel. These people, these Palastines were going to go into Israel with the other countries in the six day war, they were going to exterminate all the Jews who live in there. Yet after they lost, Israel allowed them to stay on their lands.

You have to remember that if Hamas is elected by the people, and they started launching rockets into Israel, then this is a legitamate War which Israel is winning.

They're fighting a people who train their children up to carry bombs into Israel and blow themselves up. These people hide with civilians and fire from the crowds.

At the end of the day, Palastine started this war. Now they want the world to help because they're losing it.

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Is that it, is that your pathetic excuse for the targeting of Gazan civilians? Well at least you're admitting its intentional, thats a start.

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Civillians don't hide and or train people to blow themselves up.

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Rockets, rockets, I'm tired of hearing this same old line. Meanwhile, Israel is using bomber planes, tanks, missiles, a massive arsenal of weapons and a huge army of brainwashed soldiers - all backed by billions of US dollars. Your words of 'defence' are empty.

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WHOA! IT'S ALMOST LIKE PALASTINE STARTED A WAR WITH A MODERN DAY ARMY!

Funny that they're losing.

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I used to give a shit about the crimes being committed by the rocket firers into Israel, and while I still feel for those that are affected by the rockets, I no longer give a rats ass about Israel due to its blitzkreig attrocities committed on the people of Gaza with a civilian kill/slaughter ratio of 500 to 1. So take your smarmy partisan views concerning who is the hypocrits and go shove them so far up your arse you choke on them.

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Check out these awesome NZ actions against aparteid israel...

New Zealand pubs ban Israelis over Gaza operation

Sign placed at entrance to pub in Kaikoura reads, 'Israelis not welcome before Gaza shelling stops'; two Israeli woman ordered to leave another pub because 'Israel kills innocent babies and women'

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3657217,00.html

<3 some US-born wanna-be kiwi wanker

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Theyre complaining as if it were like what the NZ Crown did to the japanese civilians here during WWII putting them into concentration camps.

Me I think they shouldn't be banned from shops as not all Israeli people support Israels attrocities against the civilian population of Gaza. But after several conversations with various Israelis Ive had, it seems a considerable amount of them talk like extremist broken records using the words that Chemical Livni uses on TV to excuse their attrocities. So it seems it is easy to make the mistake that all Israelis support the slaughter.

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We're New Zealand. Not Israel. To be honest, we shouldn't have a view on what's happening over there, because none of us have been attacked constantly and don't know what it's like to be an Isreali over there.

So, basically, stfu and go back to drinking your coffee at Star bucks and attempting to be popular.

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The actions taken by the shop in Invercargill and Kaikoura are illegal and will answer to the law of the land.

A side issue at best though, focus on the main issues 1100 civilians dead in Gaza. The use of White Phos - which is a war crime in itself as it is only allowed to be used to make night into day. This stuff burns on exposure to ar (and water) the only solution is to dig it out of the burning flesh. Deplete Uranium is a nuclear weapon that will poison the land and population it is used on. NZ &amp; Australia ban its use and any soldier who conducts firemissionswith it will be courtmarshalled. Reason why two Australian Pilots refuse to fire (or call in fire) when working in a combined role with the USA. They would have broken their nations rules on Nuclear Weapons.
There is a nuw munition being used I'm not familiar with but will find out more.
Michael

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Does it not concern you that Hamas fire rockets from schools and UN buildings in Gaza in the hope that Israel will fire back and kill innocents to further their own cause? Or that they dress their children up as suicide bombers? Or that Hamas routinely kills and tortures their own citizens? That they use woman and children as human shields? What perplexes me is how organizations such as yours march for 'peace' when in fact what you are really doing is demonstrating support for a group that oppresses and subjugates its own people. You can read the Hamas charter on their website, they state that peace is not their aim and that they do not wish to ever live in harmony with Israel. Why should Israel not defend itself when any other country, put in the same position, would do so?

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Does it not concern you that Hamas fire rockets from schools and UN buildings in Gaza in the hope that Israel will fire back and kill innocents to further their own cause? Or that they dress their children up as suicide bombers? Or that Hamas routinely kills and tortures their own citizens? That they use woman and children as human shields? What perplexes me is how organizations such as yours march for 'peace' when in fact what you are really doing is demonstrating support for a group that oppresses and subjugates its own people. You can read the Hamas charter on their website, they state that peace is not their aim and that they do not wish to ever live in harmony with Israel. Why should Israel not defend itself when any other country, put in the same position, would do so?

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Eric,

You shouldn't confuse solidarity with the Palestinian people as support for Hamas. Nor should your cry of defense equate only to one side! Couldn't you say by the same measure that Palestinian people are defending themselves after 60 years of forced occupation?

Jared D

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People else where, when questioned about Hamas point out that hamas was elected, ergo if you don't support hamas you're against democrocy.

And no. They're not defending themselves after forced occupation. When Israel was formed they were happy to let everyone go into Jerusilum. Only the bunch of douches down the river said 'Nah, fuck Jews, we're going to get 'em out.'

Guess what didn't happen?

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Of course I'm against representative democracy! But that's another discussion!

Jared D

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In fact, Hamas’s real threat is its example as the Arab world’s only democratically elected government, drawing its popularity from its resistance to the Palestinians’ oppressor and tormentor. This was demonstrated when Hamas foiled a CIA coup in 2007, an event ordained in the western media as “Hamas’s seizure of power”. Likewise, Hamas is never described as a government, let alone democratic. Neither is its proposal of a ten-year truce as a historic recognition of the “reality” of Israel and support for a two-state solution with just one condition: that the Israelis obey international law and end their illegal occupation beyond the 1967 borders. As every annual vote in the UN General Assembly demonstrates, 99 per cent of humanity concurs. On 4 January, the president of the General Assembly, Miguel d’Escoto, described the Israeli attack on Gaza as a “monstrosity”.

John Pilger

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Israel did withdraw from Lebanon and Gaza. They also released many prisoners all with the view that appeasing terrorists would result in peace. It has done exactly the opposite. Do you honestly think that Israel wants radical Islam any closer than it already is? Gaza has one purpose in the Arab world and that is to remain the thorn in Israels side.
As for Hamas being democratically elected, then the people of Gaza got what they voted for. An organization that will continually put the people it represents in danger. If you fire rockets at your neighbour, in the hope that they will fire back, why cry about the inhumanity of it all? They are getting the exact result that they hoped for.
If you look around the world, wherever Islam builds it's beacons of hate, there is violence and death. Europe, the Phillipines, Sri Lanka, Algeria, Thailand....the list is quite extensive. Israel is but the canary in the coalmine and Islams thirst for blood will never be quenched.

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Who in their right mind would support and vote for a group that was using their electorate as human sheilds? It defies logic.

Also, why do you think Islam has grown in Palestine? Could it be that Israeli oppression has made desperate people turn to something that offers them a percieved way forward? Violence begets violence.

Your decrying of Hamas also ignores the fact that they honoured the last Egyptian brokered ceasfire by not firing a single rocket during the 6 month period, yet Israel failed to lift its economic blockade: its part of the deal. They then broke the ceasefire Nov 5th by entering into Gaza and killing 6 members of Hamas.

"An organization that will continually put the people it represents in danger."

The ruling elite of Israel ring a bell? From John Pilger's latest text:

"...the horror now raining on Gaza has little to do with Hamas or, absurdly, “Israel’s right to exist”. They know the opposite to be true: that Palestine’s right to exist was cancelled 61 years ago and the expulsion and, if necessary, extinction of the indigenous people was planned and executed by the founders of Israel. They know, for example, that the infamous “Plan D” resulted in the murderous de-population of 369 Palestinian towns and villages by the Haganah (Jewish army) and that massacre upon massacre of Palestinian civilians in such places as Deir Yassin, al-Dawayima, Eilaboun, Jish, Ramle and Lydda are referred to in official records as “ethnic cleansing”. Arriving at a scene of this carnage, David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, was asked by a general, Yigal Allon, “What shall we do with the Arabs?” Ben-Gurion, reported the Israeli historian Benny Morris, “made a dismissive, energetic gesture with his hand and said, ‘Expel them’. The order to expel an entire population “without attention to age” was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, a future prime minister promoted by the world’s most efficient propaganda as a peacemaker."

This is about land, power, and profit. To pass it off as pure Islamic extremism is ignorant of the complex issues at hand, issues caused by a power hungry ruling elite with the backing of a major superpower, the US of A.

Cheers
Jared D

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"When rockets fall on Israeli towns, the press doesn't run over to describe the carnage in loving detail or splatter photographs of gore across the evening news. The International Red Cross makes no condemnations, the UN has nothing to say, and the usual suspects who cry out against war crimes when we defend ourselves-- are silent as stones.

That is why we choose us. Because no one else will. The lesson we have learned is that if we do not care for our children, no one else will. If we do not protect them, no one else will lift a hand to do it for us.

The grandfathers and fathers of the "People of Gaza" twice invaded us together with the armies of several Arab nations to wipe us off the face of the earth. They failed. Today their children are trying to help Iran finish the job they started. The world once again chooses them. The world wails over their suffering. The world demands that we let our children die, so that theirs may live to kills us. We refuse. We choose us.

It is the right of every nation to defend itself against enemies at home and abroad. That right of self-defense will not be abridged because the left has decided that Israel has less right to exist than an Iranian backed theocracy that just brought back crucifixion. When Al Queda attacked America, the left chose the Taliban. When Hamas bombed Israel, the left chose Hamas. So be it. We are under no obligation to bow our heads to the moral judgment of the ideological grandchildren of Marx, Lenin and Noam Chomsky. To hell with them and to hell with all their progeny. We choose us.

It is the right of every people to refuse to be slaughtered, to care about their own first, and to defend their own first. You may call this selfish, we call it survival. A nation exists because it chooses not to be conquered, instead choosing the deaths of the enemy over slavery and genocide. A family exists because a man chooses to protect his family from all those who would harm them. All morality must have a base. Yours is in class warfare, ours is in the family. We choose our family, we choose their lives over the intruders who would slaughter us in the name of greed and the maddened fanaticism that turned the once thriving Middle East, cradle of the world's civilizations, into dusty deserts, hovels and torture chambers. We choose us.

We did not force Hamas to barrage our towns and villages with rockets. We did not force them to begin this war, but we are nonetheless determined to end it in the way that all wars end, with the destruction of the aggressor.

We regret that Hamas has chosen to fight a war in the streets of their own cities. But that is their choice. And if their civilian population is devastated for it, it stems from their choice of terrain, not ours. If you begin a war in your own kitchen, you should expect to have it blown up. If you hide behind the bodies of your children, do not be surprised when you have to bury them. And do not expect us to mourn or stay our hand, because our enemy has demonstrated such ruthlessness that he is willing to use his own children to fight their battles. Such tactics did not save Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan or Saddam Hussein's Iraq. They will not save Hamas.

We will not let our children die, because the enemy uses his own as a shield in a war he has started. If it comes to that, we again choose us. The world may roar in protest, and we acknowledge that it is justified so long as when their cities and towns are shelled, that they will seek futile ceasefire after ceasefire, rather than fight back. And if indeed they do so, that form of suicide is their choice. Not ours. We choose to live. We choose to fight. We choose us.

We choose to live. We choose not to put our hopes in illusion or let a billion screeching voices dissuade us from doing our duty toward our own kith and kin. We chose to build a nation out of dust and rebuild generations lost in fields of ash and dirt. We built towns and cities out of swamps, we raised crops, we raised children, we built a future. And we will protect that future whatever else others may say. This is our land we will fight for it because it is our land, the land of our fathers and the land of our children. As our ancestors chose to lift the sword and the bow, rather than to bow before the Greek idol, we choose the rifle and the knife, rather than to bend our knees to the totems of liberalism. We will fight and we will prevail, because we choose to do it, unambigiously and unapologetically. We choose our future. We choose us."

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GREAT WORDS.

I wish the world would understand about your statement.

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As for the UN general Assembly votes, well, we all know what a corrupt entity the UN is. And you expect people to take anything the UN says or does seriously? Maybe you could organise a protest against their recent 'Food for Sex Scandal'?

THE UN SEX FOR FOOD SCANDAL Washington Times

The United Nation's "sex-for-food" scandal continues to spread. As the human rights group Save the Children documents in a new report, U.N. peacekeepers in the war-torn, refugee-rich Liberia have been accused of selling food for sex from girls as young as 8. They are the latest victims in a growing tragedy that includes girls from Burundi, Ivory Coast, East Timor, Congo, Cambodia and Bosnia, proving correct a prediction made last year by the assistant secretary-general at the United Nations for peacekeeping operations. "We think this will look worse before it begins to look better," she said last May after efforts to investigate peacekeepers in Congo had fallen short.

The report found abuse at all age levels from 8 to 18, though the victims older than 12 were identified as being "regularly involved in 'selling sex'." But "all of the respondents clearly stated that they felt that the scale of the problem affected over half of the girls in their locations," the report said.

Similar to other U.N. missions, the scandal in Liberia seems to be the result of inadequate training, zero threat of punishment and collusion with top mission officials and NGO workers. "In all the [refugee] camps where discussion groups were conducted, the Camp Management Committee and block leaders were implicated," the report found. What's more, parents of the abused children typically have refrained from complaining since selling their children for sex is the only way to get food.

Despite being aware of the abuse for some time, the United Nations appears to be operating at its usual sluggish pace. A U.N. humanitarian coordinator in Liberia, Jordan Ryan, told the Associated Press that the report was "outdated" and that "much has improved since then." "There are good things that are now happening in Liberia," he said, adding that those caught engaging in "sex-for-food" are fired.

That, unfortunately, hasn't been good enough. It took U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan nearly a year of similar allegations from the mission in Congo before telling reporters that he was taking the matter seriously. When the United Nations finally did act, a handful of peacekeepers were fired. But the scandal continues to spread, suggesting that a more serious overhaul of hiring and training practices needs to be implemented.

Toward that end, the United States needs to exert greater pressure. Congress should take the place of an unconcerned U.N. bureaucracy and hold hearings to investigate how and why young girls continue to be at the mercy of U.N. workers. At the very least, such hearings would shine a much-needed light on these tiny victims, whose lives have been shattered by the peacekeepers in blue helmets.

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The arab, and in particularly the palestinian must know. Israel existed, and will exist for a long time. Israel widrawn from Gaza a few years ago, and what we get? Only rockets. I hope that the hamas and other terrorist organizations hopefully will learn somethinf from it, and if not, the IDF will eat them a life.

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The arab, and in particularly the palestinian must know. Israel existed, and will exist for a long time. Israel widrawn from Gaza a few years ago, and what we get? Only rockets. I hope that the hamas and other terrorist organizations hopefully will learn somethinf from it, and if not, the IDF will eat them a life.

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Regarding your post quoting Robert Pilger, this conflict runs far deeper than land, power &amp; profit as outlined so succinctly below:

Roots of The Gaza Conflict by Nonie Darwish Jan 08 2009

"With the explosive current events in Gaza, the world needs to understand the roots of this eternal conflict, otherwise we are all kidding ourselves with hopes of peace.

For decades, Arabs had demanded that Israel end the "occupation," and in 2005, Israel did so, disengaging unilaterally from Gaza. With their demands met, there was no ‘cycle of violence’ to respond to, no further justification for anything other than peace and prosperity. With its central location and beautiful beaches on the East Mediteranean, a peaceful and prosperous Gaza could have become another Hong Kong; a shining trade and commerce center. But instead of choosing peace, the Palestinians chose Islamic jihad. They rolled their rocket launchers to the border and started bombing Israeli civilians.

Understanding the reasons why the Palestinians chose violence over peace requires connecting the dots from the behavior of Muslim states back to the laws of Islam: Sharia. Mainstream Sharia books define Jihad as: "to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion." (Shafi’i Sharia o9.0). Jihad is not just the duty of the individual Muslim, but it is also the main duty of the Muslim head of State (the Calipha):

"A Muslim calipha is entrusted to take his people into war and command offensive and aggressive Jihad. He must organize Jihad against any non-Muslim government, which prevents Muslim da’wah (meaning preaching and spreading Islam) from entering its land." (Shafii Law o25.0 to o25.9).

Sharia law# o25.9 states:

"(When the caliph appoints a ruler on a region, his duty includes) if the area has a border adjacent to enemy lands, (he will) undertake Jihad against enemies, dividing the spoils of battle among combatants and setting aside a fifth for deserving recipients."

Also:

"The Caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax provided he has first invited them to enter Islam or pay Jizya, the non-Muslim poll tax, (in accordance with the word of Allah Most High Chapter 9 verse 29)."

Zia-Ul-Haq, former President of Pakistan, said "jihad in terms of warfare is a collective responsibility of the Muslim Ummah."

One of Islam’s eminent 20th century scholars, Sheikh Maolana Maududi said:

"Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and program … the objective of Islamic jihad is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish instead an Islamic system of state rule. Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single state or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution."

Some people seem to think that such laws are just historical relics, on the books but not in practice or in control of the minds of Muslims. But that is the kind of denial we cannot afford; these laws rule the hearts, minds and actions of a majority of Muslim individuals and states around the world today. These scriptures are taught, preached and promoted as the incontrovertible and eternal word of God and funded by Saudi petrodollars throughout the world, including Western nations such as the U.K. and the United States.

No Muslim leader can survive in a Muslim country if he announces the end of Jihad against non-Muslim countries and states that all references to Jihad in Islamic law do not apply today. Treating non-Muslim neighboring countries and individual as equals, with respect and in peace without trying to convert them to Islam, is simply against Islamic Law.

Muslim leaders who dare to go against this theology are called traitors and puppets of the ‘Great Satan’ West. That is a description that no Muslim leader wants to be labeled with. When president Anwar Sadat of Egypt signed the peace treaty with Israel in 1979, he told his confidants that he knew he was signing his own death warrant. He understood that under Sharia he must have permanent war with non-Muslim Israel.

How can a Muslim leader or individual avoid the hundreds of Quran and Hadith commandments to Muslims to kill Jews and Christians? Q 9:29: "Fight those who believe not in Allah until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." Q 9:5: "Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them". Q47.4: "When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads."

A Muslim leader cannot face his devout Muslim subjects after making a decision to engage in friendship and peace with Jews. Mosques all over the Middle East, after all, recite Mohammed’s commandment to Muslims:

"The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!" (Sahih Muslim 41:6985, also Sahih Bukhari 4:52:177)

This Hadith, issued by Mohammad, makes a whole group of people illegal to exist. It was issued in the 7th century, not after the 1948 creation of the State of Israel. It is not a response to modern-day grievances; it is a permanent commandment.

Many Muslims claim that Arabs and Jews lived well together for many years before 1948. But that claim ignores the fact that Jews had to live as ‘dhimmies’ under Islamic Law and were never allowed to rule themselves separate of the Islamic Sharia. When Muslims were weak they often treated their dhimmi subjects well and ignored the commandments to kill, subjugate and humiliate them. But Jew hatred is intrinsic to Islamic scriptures that do not permit reformation under the penalty of death.

This is the real basis of the Arab/Israeli conflict: not a conflict over land or occupation, but a divine obligation to destroy neighboring (non-Muslim) Israel, where Jews are no longer dhimmis but are free to rule themselves. We cannot ignore the root of the problem in Muslim scriptures. That is the true force behind the hate and propaganda Jihadist machine against Jews in the Muslim world."

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Regarding your post quoting Robert Pilger, this conflict runs far deeper than land, power &amp; profit as outlined so succinctly below:

Roots of The Gaza Conflict by Nonie Darwish Jan 08 2009

"With the explosive current events in Gaza, the world needs to understand the roots of this eternal conflict, otherwise we are all kidding ourselves with hopes of peace.

For decades, Arabs had demanded that Israel end the "occupation," and in 2005, Israel did so, disengaging unilaterally from Gaza. With their demands met, there was no ‘cycle of violence’ to respond to, no further justification for anything other than peace and prosperity. With its central location and beautiful beaches on the East Mediteranean, a peaceful and prosperous Gaza could have become another Hong Kong; a shining trade and commerce center. But instead of choosing peace, the Palestinians chose Islamic jihad. They rolled their rocket launchers to the border and started bombing Israeli civilians.

Understanding the reasons why the Palestinians chose violence over peace requires connecting the dots from the behavior of Muslim states back to the laws of Islam: Sharia. Mainstream Sharia books define Jihad as: "to war against non-Muslims to establish the religion." (Shafi’i Sharia o9.0). Jihad is not just the duty of the individual Muslim, but it is also the main duty of the Muslim head of State (the Calipha):

"A Muslim calipha is entrusted to take his people into war and command offensive and aggressive Jihad. He must organize Jihad against any non-Muslim government, which prevents Muslim da’wah (meaning preaching and spreading Islam) from entering its land." (Shafii Law o25.0 to o25.9).

Sharia law# o25.9 states:

"(When the caliph appoints a ruler on a region, his duty includes) if the area has a border adjacent to enemy lands, (he will) undertake Jihad against enemies, dividing the spoils of battle among combatants and setting aside a fifth for deserving recipients."

Also:

"The Caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax provided he has first invited them to enter Islam or pay Jizya, the non-Muslim poll tax, (in accordance with the word of Allah Most High Chapter 9 verse 29)."

Zia-Ul-Haq, former President of Pakistan, said "jihad in terms of warfare is a collective responsibility of the Muslim Ummah."

One of Islam’s eminent 20th century scholars, Sheikh Maolana Maududi said:

"Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and program … the objective of Islamic jihad is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish instead an Islamic system of state rule. Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single state or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution."

Some people seem to think that such laws are just historical relics, on the books but not in practice or in control of the minds of Muslims. But that is the kind of denial we cannot afford; these laws rule the hearts, minds and actions of a majority of Muslim individuals and states around the world today. These scriptures are taught, preached and promoted as the incontrovertible and eternal word of God and funded by Saudi petrodollars throughout the world, including Western nations such as the U.K. and the United States.

No Muslim leader can survive in a Muslim country if he announces the end of Jihad against non-Muslim countries and states that all references to Jihad in Islamic law do not apply today. Treating non-Muslim neighboring countries and individual as equals, with respect and in peace without trying to convert them to Islam, is simply against Islamic Law.

Muslim leaders who dare to go against this theology are called traitors and puppets of the ‘Great Satan’ West. That is a description that no Muslim leader wants to be labeled with. When president Anwar Sadat of Egypt signed the peace treaty with Israel in 1979, he told his confidants that he knew he was signing his own death warrant. He understood that under Sharia he must have permanent war with non-Muslim Israel.

How can a Muslim leader or individual avoid the hundreds of Quran and Hadith commandments to Muslims to kill Jews and Christians? Q 9:29: "Fight those who believe not in Allah until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." Q 9:5: "Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them". Q47.4: "When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads."

A Muslim leader cannot face his devout Muslim subjects after making a decision to engage in friendship and peace with Jews. Mosques all over the Middle East, after all, recite Mohammed’s commandment to Muslims:

"The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and kill them. And the Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!" (Sahih Muslim 41:6985, also Sahih Bukhari 4:52:177)

This Hadith, issued by Mohammad, makes a whole group of people illegal to exist. It was issued in the 7th century, not after the 1948 creation of the State of Israel. It is not a response to modern-day grievances; it is a permanent commandment.

Many Muslims claim that Arabs and Jews lived well together for many years before 1948. But that claim ignores the fact that Jews had to live as ‘dhimmies’ under Islamic Law and were never allowed to rule themselves separate of the Islamic Sharia. When Muslims were weak they often treated their dhimmi subjects well and ignored the commandments to kill, subjugate and humiliate them. But Jew hatred is intrinsic to Islamic scriptures that do not permit reformation under the penalty of death.

This is the real basis of the Arab/Israeli conflict: not a conflict over land or occupation, but a divine obligation to destroy neighboring (non-Muslim) Israel, where Jews are no longer dhimmis but are free to rule themselves. We cannot ignore the root of the problem in Muslim scriptures. That is the true force behind the hate and propaganda Jihadist machine against Jews in the Muslim world."

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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html

Just so you know what "Eric" is

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I wish I could indulge your neurotic paranoia but, alas, I am much closer. 'Eric' is a New Zealander living in Australia.

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Eric, where to start? For one, I'm glad you know how to use the copy and paste functions on your computer.

Again, your first comment could easily be about Israel's ruling elite. Change the names and what do you get?

And note that I am not saying all Israeli's subscribe to what you posted, but specifically 'the ruling elite'. That is the problem with nation states, representative democracy and nationalism — when war and violence is acted out by those in power 'on behalf of' or against the majority of the people.

The patriotism and nationalism throughout that comment is scary, and yes, that applies to the Palestinian side also. To take such an arbitrary facet of nationhood, drawn up by colonising powers and making that the guiding principle is something we all should be struggling against. Add in religion (Zionism, Islam, whatever), propaganda and profit (ie land resources, gas etc) and you get dogma and fundamentalism enforced by those in power.

"Therefore, against the divisions and false choices set up by nationalism, we fully support the ordinary inhabitants of Gaza and Israel against state warfare – not because of their nationality, ethnicity, or religion, but simply because they’re real living, feeling, thinking, suffering, struggling human beings. And this support has to mean total hostility to all those who would oppress and exploit them –the Israeli state and the Western governments and corporations that supply it with weapons, but also any other capitalist factions who seek to use ordinary working-class Palestinians as pawns in their power struggles. The only real solution is one which is collective, based on the fact that as a class, globally, we ultimately have nothing but our ability to work for others, and everything to gain in ending this system – capitalism – and the states and wars it needs "

From www.anarchia.wordpress.com.

Jared D

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Jared,

Copy and paste is not difficult, as I am sure 'Anonymous' can attest to.

That particular quote is not from the 'ruling elite', it is written by a blogger who obviously has strong feelings about his homeland. I know 'peace' protesters would prefer the Jewish people to be "put back in the ovens", but I guess some won't go that easily.

Your quote mentions Western Governments and corporations and the Israeli state supplying weapons. No mention of Saudi Arabia? Iran? Or the myriad host of other Middle East nations that finance terrorism and want to keep Gaza in its current state. All they would need to do is open their borders.

Corruption is not just the domain of Capitalism and the Western World, of Neocons and the right, it is rampant on the left, within Communism, Socialism, religion and everywhere else you look. For all the demonising of America, it is perplexing to see the hordes of poor immigrants who flock there in such large numbers. And hey, once they get there they can even take to the streets and protest the very Western 'oppressors', 'racists' and 'bigots' whom they now live amongst. Democracy is terrible is it not!? I guess living the humble life in Iran, Cuba or any other 'bastion of human rights' is not all it is cracked up to be.
As for Indymedia, I would have thought with a name like that there might be some facts hiding amongst the propaganda. Alas, just the same regurgitated biased garbage that emanates from the MSM sewer such as CNN, BBC, ABC, Reuters.....

When I see New Zealanders protesting Israel, only one thing comes to mind - sheep.

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"Corruption is not just the domain of Capitalism and the Western World, of Neocons and the right, it is rampant on the left, within Communism, Socialism, religion and everywhere else you look/"

Now here we can agree! State socialism (State Capitalism) like you mention of Cuba, is just as bad, if not worse than Capitalism or 'democracy' (in its representative and not direct form). And democracy doesn't mean protesting in the street — direct democracy means controlling the decision making process at home, at work and in the community, in a decentralised, federated manner (libertarian communism or anarchism). But alas, I speak off topic.

To call people sheep when a majority of the protesters were simply disgusted at the levels of violence we were witnessing, and realised that silence would mean consent (whoever of whatever the nation state was involved) is plain wrong. Also, if you don't like the perspectives discussed here on Indymedia you are welcome to leave...

Jared D

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Good logic. You don't agree with us so GTFO. Wow, almost like you're.. Nazis. WHOA NO!

Tools. You look into the abyss and it looks back at you.

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i have not been to israel or palestine, nor a war torn nation. does that mean i can't form opinions on the history/effects/solution of war and publically express them ? surely not ..
if we are using this logic then we are sayin you must directly experience somethin in order to articulate ideas related to it.

a quick point on the historical perspectives mentioned hea, is it not true that in this world we have the most distinguished scholars and academics who still cannot agree on many aspects of historical significance. yet they are all supposedly using the most 'objective' of methodologies. how can this be so ?
because human beings perceptions and perspectives are affected in a massive way by emotions, in the moment and from their past.

i feel this middle east issue (among many) is fundamentally about fear, hatred and love, forgiveness,
so people can debate for eternity - who was on this or that land first and therfore has ownership and exclusive rights to reside , but to me this will only symbolise a fear that their is not enough land for us all, and or that their are some who are more chosen than others in 'gods' eyes.

so eric even though i haven't directly experienced some specific events i feel i can still understand the fundamental emotions that may be emphasised in response to certain events - like war, death of a loved one or just being able to feel that thousands of complete strangers die on the planet i live on each day from starvation and lack of clean water.

as far as i'm concerned.. the solution - if we all have a harmonious existence in mind - is for unconditional forgiveness - to all atrocities - and apparent wrongs ever committed by individuals or nation states in history -
this unconditional forgiveness must be accompanied by a sacred perspective to all the life on this earth - a recognition of the interconnected and interrelatedness of all species big and small, human and non human.

this middle east issue is but one on the planet at present, and can be changed by all individuals very quickly - as a collective.

peace

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Nick,

You seem to be advocating collective....suicide?

I think the following cartoon pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter:

http://tinyurl.com/87ygk4

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that seems to be a shallow response eric, maybe not from your perspective. but my feeling is that the reason you beleive it could be collective suicide is that you don't beleive its possible to unconditionally forgive. so your really sayin somethin about yourself there. but at the same time i understand this - how many people in this world have demonstrated unconditional forgiveness - even in the face of death, not many but thats not to say its not possible for you and i

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To those who wondered why Palestinians have been resisting and fight against brutal injustice, here is your answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCL6WdnuNp4