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Five people charged with participation in a 'organised criminal group'

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The Crown has issued an indictment today against 18 people arrested in the police raids of October 15th 2007 in Ruatoki, Auckland, Hamilton, Whakatane, Palmerston North, Wellington and elsewhere.

Five of the 18 people have been charged with participation in a criminal gang under section 98A of the Crimes Act.

These charges are a desperate attempt by the Government to save face after the Solicitor-General found ‘insufficient evidence’ to bring charges under the Terrorism Suppression Act. The Crown seeks to characterise political activists who support Tino Rangatiratanga and dissent from the Government as criminals.

All 18 face charges under the Arms Act for possession of weapons and restricted weapons (Molotov cocktails). Although charges relating to 3 of the alleged ‘camps’ had been dismissed outright by Judge Mark Perkins due to lack of evidence following a month long depositions hearing, the Crown has also chosen to re-instate these charges. [ More ]

Tamati Kruger, a trustee for Te Kotahi a Tuhoe, says the arrests make a mockery of talks Tuhoe leaders have been having with police about last October's arrests and lock-down of the Ruatoki valley. "Those talks now I think have become a lot more difficult in light really of what we see as the trawling through laws to find something that may save the police from utter disgrace over this whole painful incident," Mr Kruger says. [ More ]

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Re: Five people charged with participation in a 'organised crimi

What you are seeing now is that real vindictiveness within police intelligence groups to get their win at all costs.

Jobs and careers are on the line now, its about survival for those involved in facilitating the concoction this operation. Theyve lied to the high court about the immanent danger in order to attain interception warrants, the TSA charges fell over because of that.

The firearms charges will not cut it even if they could get a win on a handful of them in front of a jury.

The bill for money spent on this operation has been tallied and they have received their warning from the big brass, that firearms charges do no warrant the 20 million or so dollars spent so far in operation 8, and they are to get an indictment at all cost.

They have sifted through the possible indictments and have come up with the one most likely to give them the best fighting chance of getting a conviction from a list of possible charges that are all but impossible to press.

Criminal Nuisance is the most common charge for political dissidence in Britain and Australia, however because of case history in this country, crim nuisance is a little harder to pull off, so hence the criminal association angle.

Its do or die for the legal/court part of this saga even though the higher powers in the crown have accomplished what they set out to accomplish...the hosing down of the Tuhoe movement for independence.

The stool pigeons left to finish the legal side and take the fall for its eventual failure have played their hand and it is a weak one.

Kia kaha, kia maia, kia mau tonu ra ki to kawau maro.

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previous comment is a very good rundown of what the hell is happening. cheers!

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Or it could be the fact that a lot of the people who got snapped in the 'raids do run with gangs in one form or another?

Let's face it Tohoi, or however you spell his name should've been busted for bringing a loaded fire-arm in front of the PM, and then on top of that firing it into a New Zealand flag.

I wonder why he got off? Interesting. Not at all because we as a nation are catering more to the Maori folk. No! Clearly not! These crazy Maori bandits, who are out in the wops, threatening people who drive on 'their' roads(Which they're not, they just decided to claim) and running around with illegal guns are all innocent. Really.

Let's face it. The Maori don't get the short end of the stick these days.

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The other four defendants facing the new charge are Emily Bailey, Urs Signer, Tuhoi Lambert and Whiri Kemara and Tame.

Seems to be missing from the information.

I am wondering what people around the country are planning to do? Sit on our butts and watch? I know there is so much to do but maybe something can be done. Maybe someone could ask the Maori party how it intends working with such repressive and violent partys like labour and national.

And the question I would like to ask the Maori party is:

What pressure are you going to put on the government to stop the harrasment of maori whanau around the country by the police? How will winning seats in parliment help Tame Iti and his fellow accused? Maori has won very little that way. People like Tame have done the work out on the streets and roads of the motu. The hard slog. I would ask Maori to stop relying on an election to WIN something. It simply doesnt work. Never has never will.

This is a struggle for all activists. Lead by great examples like Tame in modern times.

Thanks to maori for leading the way. But dont wait fro people to make changes for you. Keep fighting. Kia kaha whanau.

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Third comment should be removed. Bloody racist shit.

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3rd comment is just ignorant.

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"Or it could be the fact that a lot of the people who got snapped in the 'raids do run with gangs in one form or another? "

Or it could be that the cops run with the biggest, toughest gang in the country. A gang that has used violence to demand taxes and land from sovereign Māori hapu for 'protection', for a hundred and fifty years.

If agents of the state are now going to classify every organized group of people who disagree with them as a criminal gang, how long will it take before people are being disappeared, sent to re-education camps, and killed for their organs? Hey, maybe transplant tourism will save our economy! :}

We have a week before the election. It is the time the most people are paying attention to big picture political issues. What can we do to put the message out to them that communities are not gangs?

Strypey

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"3rd comment is just ignorant."

Gee I was thinkin more in the realm of:
pee-on
docile
servile
cyclopsed
intentionally uninformed
lazy
naive
afraid
oh yeah....and ignorant

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Perhaps its time for a new teeshirt...

"IWI is not a criminal organisation"

Re: Five people charged with participation in a 'organised crimi

why can't the pigs go after the real gangs that are actually terrorising our communties with p fuelled idiots?

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I agree with Strypey, above, in one crucial repect: now is the time to act, if for somewhat different reasons.

I would very much like to see an attempt to bring these blatant state abuses and lies to greater public attention, and to the attention of existing non-anarchist (but still honest) communities and organisitions.

I strongly believe that New Zealand society is today in a spiritually healthy enough state that large numbers of people would stand up and protest if they were aware of the naked abuse of power the Labour government, and/or the police and state bureaucracies are provably enacting in this case.

But I also think it is very important to make such an honest public appeal to people's best convictions, values, and interests NOW. The character of a people or culture can change over time. Watching this kind of injustice succeed, especially if it succeeds with little meaningful challenge, will get people used to cynical resignation. It will be that much harder for the next group of dissidents and the next stage of repression will be that much nastier.

I think that precisely because this latest move by the state is so seriously corrupt, in ways that are demonstrably objectionable to anyone who takes seriously the notion of honesty in public institutions, that getting the word out on this really could make a difference. All it would tale to significantly succeed would be to convince a small number of socially credible individuals and organisations that this kind of abuse threatend *them*- which it, in fact, does.

This isn't in any sense only an anarchist or Tino Rangatiratanga issue any more. Many *National* voters, let alone friends, should and I suspect will be opposed to this kind of serious official dishonesty.

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To the police reading this page. Ngai Tuhoe are not a criminal organisation!!!

However

YOU ARE

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All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.
- Edmund Burke

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Whatever. Activists running round the bush with guns thinking they're not going to face state repression? It goes without saying.

One year on and I haven't heard a single word of critical reflection from the supporters of the arrestees.

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"Whatever. Activists running round the bush with guns thinking they're not going to face state repression"

Hey they were just 'survival' camps teaching bush craft and showing peace activists how to use guns and molotov cocktails for educational purposes, its not like they were talking about killing people or anything!

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"One year on and I haven't heard a single word of critical reflection from the supporters of the arrestees."

Well you have been persistant in trying to run their trial in a public arena, so lets here it, whats your analysis, surprise me with a view you didnt plagiarise from the NZ Herald or Dom Post.

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"Hey they were just 'survival' camps teaching bush craft and showing peace activists how to use guns and molotov cocktails for educational purposes, its not like they were talking about killing people or anything!"

Indeed! They weren't arrested for having gun training camps, and talking about killing and using napalm and molotovs, but because they endorse Tino Rangatiratanga. Global Peace and Justice Auckland and Peace Action Wellington, and Keith Locke would never support people who were planning to use weapons, ever.

The guns are recreational officer, I swear!

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"
Well you have been persistant in trying to run their trial in a public arena, so lets here it, whats your analysis, surprise me with a view you didnt plagiarise from the NZ Herald or Dom Post."

Bullshit. I've kept my mouth shut, but I thought that some sparks of intelligence would have surfaced by now.

I'm not going to say what I think on this computer... but I'll air my opinions pretty soon.

Re: Five people charged with participation in a 'organised crimi

>> Whatever. Activists running round the bush
>> with guns thinking they're not going to face >> state repression? It goes without saying.

Thats what you call lazy thinking from a weak and servile political analysis that sees a few pieces of a 5000 piece puzzle and therefore assumes the oppressors interpretation of what those pieces mean as the only legitimate interpretation, therefore the onus is on the activist community to prove innocence.

Even the foundational basis of the bill of rights that states innocent before proven guilty is not considered by such a weak and subservient mind, why is that.

When the borg speaks, why do you devour its perspective as truth, and then become its parrot, constantly squawking that same 'polly wanna cracker' mantra as you have been doing day after day.

The most power technique the borg employs is to have you believe your opinion was thought up yourself, yet that same opinion can been clearly seen through every major newspaper column, in literally many hundreds of news items since the Oct 15 raids.

The biggest hurdle you have to get over is that its not your opinion, its the one you have taken as your own without engaging your own critical analysis, that view which was originally penned on the white board of police intelligence think-tanks, constructed into an affidavitt full of biassed and amateuristic cherry pickings by unqualified and inexperienced police intelligence agents from 2 years of intercepted conversations, emails and txt messages.

Then leaked to the media, written into newspapers and tv news items by partisan hack political writers who jobs are to raise the fears of the people in order to sell their product.

To sell the demon of the night on the 6 oclock news.

Then consumed by the general public, and here you are squawkin 'polly wanna cracker'.

Saul Tigh

Re: Five people charged with participation in a 'organised crimi

TAKEN FROM ANOTHER ARTICLE ON THE LIST.

It should be noted what Tuhoe think because it is once again Tuhoe who are being labeled and attacked. How Many of you know Ngai Tuhoe?

"A Tuhoe leader says the laying of new charges against five of the 17 people arrested in last year's State Terror raids has sunk attempts by police to patch up relationships with the iwi.
Tamati Kruger, a trustee for Te Kotahi a Tuhoe, says the Crown has abandoned empirical evidence and is now trying to prove guilt by association.

He says the arrests make a mockery of talks Tuhoe leaders have been having with police about last October's arrests and lock-down of the Ruatoki valley.

"Those talks now I think have become a lot more difficult in light really of what we see as the trawling through laws to find something that may save the police from utter disgrace over this whole painful incident," Mr Kruger says.

He says the new charges won't diminish support in Ruatoki for Tame Iti, nor diminish Tuhoe's determination to defend its reputation and honour."

Why is Ngai tuhoe a gang?

E tuu whanau. Time to make a stand against the state.

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The Oct. 15th raids would have been an injustice no matter who was the target. And how can anyone support the use of dishonest tactics by the police and vested authorities, who have the power to inflict immense harm on everyone in civil society? Even if the Oct 15th arrestees were guilty of everything they have been variously accused of, which as far as I can tell they are clearly not, how would that justify terror tactics, restraint of public information, dishonest prosecution, and trumped up charges? Do the 'law and order' types writing here have any idea what happens to a society where thee kind of corrupt abuses by the state become routine?

New Zealand has one of the most free and open societies on the planet in a world where such things are precious and rare (and never, of course, nearly what they ought to be). It is atavistic madness to let irrational stereotypes about anarchists or brown people in the bush get in the way of defending such an important good.

We ALL have a stake in stopping this kind of abuse of power. Everyone who values democracy or simple honesty should protest what the police and the Labour government have done.

I totally agree with that Burke quote, despite a general dislike of Edmunde Burke (I'll go with Tom Paine and Mary Wollestonecraft). But I appreciate hearing language which places this issue upon the serious intellectual level at which it ought to be handled.

Jeanine

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist; then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist; then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist; then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out- because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me." - Pastor Martin Niemöller

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I can't speak for the others as I don't know them, but Emily Bailey is certainly not part of a gang running round the Urerewas with a gun. She is a Wellington based activist who has not been involved in any violent activity, and I doubt very much if she would know which end of a gun to fire.

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'3rd comment is just ignorant. '

And the like..

Because firing a loaded gun in front of the leader of our country is an okay thing to do, right?

So that makes me racist? Or is it the fact that me, I don't care about all the different Iwi's, clans, tribes, etc, floating around New Zealand?

The Maori in general are lucky to have what they have. How many other countries that've been taken over have given the native people the same sort of rights that the Maori have?

To tell a story, which I'm fairly certain you'll all look over and ignore because it doesn't agree with your 'COPS ARE BAD CAUSE THEY ENFORCE LAWS THAT I BREAK!' views:

I have a family relative who's a lawyer. Now, at the lawyer school she went to, they had ten Maori seats. These seats could only be fulled by people who could claim 1/35( I think) direct Maori blood ties. Even if these Maori who got in didn't get the A graded needed to get in, they had to accept the top Maori people into the class. Meaning if a Maori person got a B+ (Which is to low for the class) they would still get in if one of the seats is avalible.

That's fair?

How about this one: Maori schools are okay, but if you have school for White-New Zealanders only, there would be an uproar.

How is that also fair?

If you had a White-New Zealander only party, there would be an uproar also.

Explain me this? I'm not a racist. I'm just not a Maori syncophant.

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If you check, only one person thought you were a racist. Whereas I dont see you as a racist. My description of yourself started with pee-on and ended with ignorant. Going by your last comment, that view hasnt changed.

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& proving to be more & more ignorant.

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Actually,

'Third comment should be removed. Bloody racist shit. '

WHOA! Try readin' the replies a little better next time.

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"Let's face it. The Maori don't get the short end of the stick these days."

HOW would you know???
Where's your evidence?
What empirical, qualitative, quantitative or other supportive data do you have to support your argument?
Where's your analysis?

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#24 Is indeed ´bloody racist shit´.

To start with, capitalising ´white´ definitely sets of my racistdar. A person who isn´t racist may have any of a wide variety of political opinions, but is hardly likely to be touchily self-conscious about being white or use language like ´Maori sycophant´.

#24, please find some better way to define yourself than your biology and the group you were born into. Thinking and feeling for oneself are so much more rewarding than building a fake identity on collective ressentiment!

To put it colloqiually, GET A LIFE.

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Love it = " IWI are not a criminal organisation"

So five is the min. number for a criminal gang?

I seem to remeber (& might be wrong) but is it three people signing a letter to make up a mutiny.

One of the many scary things here is the divide and conquer aspect. Removing all peoples' rights of association.

This goes back to the Labour anti-Terror Bill of Goffs.

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# 24 comes across like a reject red-neck from Newman's http://www.nzcpr.com which is known to be a website for white supremacists.

According to Newman, as reported in a yahoo news item today, Maori want to have special arrangements made which would enable them to get special access to taxpayer money. Her claims are false because if true they would be fairly outrageous.

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"If you had a White-New Zealander only party, there would be an uproar also."

Probably, but then I haven't heard any suggestion of a Maori-only party, I suspect if that was suggested they'd be an uproar as well, so what's your point?

Cheers

Sam Buchanan

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"The Maori in general are lucky to have what they have. How many other countries that've been taken over have given the native people the same sort of rights that the Maori have?

To tell a story, which I'm fairly certain you'll all look over and ignore because it doesn't agree with your 'COPS ARE BAD CAUSE THEY ENFORCE LAWS THAT I BREAK!' views:

I have a family relative who's a lawyer. Now, at the lawyer school she went to, they had ten Maori seats. These seats could only be fulled by people who could claim 1/35( I think) direct Maori blood ties. Even if these Maori who got in didn't get the A graded needed to get in, they had to accept the top Maori people into the class. Meaning if a Maori person got a B+ (Which is to low for the class) they would still get in if one of the seats is avalible.

That's fair?

How about this one: Maori schools are okay, but if you have school for White-New Zealanders only, there would be an uproar.

How is that also fair? "

The notion of “special privileged treatment” for Maori has been critiqued by numerous sources. See, for example, Durie, 2005

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"How is that also fair?"

dumber than a dumb arses arse?

How about this one: Name one kura kaupapa or kohanga reo that is for Maori kids only?

How about this one: English is compulsory in schools in Tuhoe where most of the population speak Maori as their first language.

How about this one: My mates whanau are supposedly owners in 325 hectares of Maori Land. Even though their credit is excellent, not one bank in this country will give them a mortgage because its Maori Land. Whys that?

How about this one: The police considered the kohanga reo to be a breeding ground for terrorism so on the day of raids last year they raided a kohanga school bus armed with pistols (Howard Broad has conceded this happened, as part of his attempts to settle out of court with the Tuhoe civil action) searching for rocket launchers, napalm bombs and assault rifles.

How about this one: A 12 year old girl in Manurewa was drag out of her bed by balaclava'd police grab teams, along with her whanau, dragged outside and lined up along a fence, made to kneel at gunpoint facing the wall with her hands on her head, by highly charged P'd up armed paramilitary policemen with balaclavas. How could there be any other thought go through her 12 year old head other than this was a firing squad?

How about this one: Its been 168 years since the signing of the treaty, and yet we still have people like yourself you are walking composites of intentionally festered ignorance.

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Lol, clearly I am ignorant because my views do not co-encide with yours. I spell White White, with a capital W, ergo I must be racist.

The one thing that's divided this country more than anything else is that treaty. I did not sign it. My grandparents did not sign it. Why should I have to pay for something that is so far back the only way it effects me now is Maori's who get paid out from 'my' money, who in turn waste it?

Instead of trying to settle these claims, and sticking up for people running around in the wops with guns without Liscenses for said guns, maybe we should give the money to the people who truly need it.

Where's your proof that the cops are truly Bad and evil? All I've seen so far is a bunch of hippies, or elitist pricks, hanging around on the internets whinging because people have been caught breaking the law. People got 'Shocked' and are 'traumatized' because Cops busted their doors down?

Sorry, but if I was going into a small hick town filled with Gun-toting Anti-governemental types, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be taking any chances either.

Something that amazes me with you people, and I doubt any of your actually realize it. You're worse than anything you protest against. You turn up, all geared for another day of slacking in the sun and waving your signs around, only to try and provoke the other 'side' at the time into breaking laws and having a go at you.

And you're telling me to get a life?

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How about this one: Name one kura kaupapa or kohanga reo that is for Maori kids only?

(How about you show me how you would do better leading our country?)

How about this one: English is compulsory in schools in Tuhoe where most of the population speak Maori as their first language.

(We're a English country.)

How about this one: My mates whanau are supposedly owners in 325 hectares of Maori Land. Even though their credit is excellent, not one bank in this country will give them a mortgage because its Maori Land. Whys that?

(Your friends 'family' supposedly own alot of land, between all of them? Maybe because if you try to get a mortgage on communal land, the fall out if you don't pay would be INSANE. IE: 'You didn't pay, we're taking your land.' 'NO! CANT DO THAT! NOT JUST MINE, LOL FAIL!')

How about this one: The police considered the kohanga reo to be a breeding ground for terrorism so on the day of raids last year they raided a kohanga school bus armed with pistols (Howard Broad has conceded this happened, as part of his attempts to settle out of court with the Tuhoe civil action) searching for rocket launchers, napalm bombs and assault rifles.

(How's that for what? The cops went in looking for weapons. What's your point?)

How about this one: A 12 year old girl in Manurewa was drag out of her bed by balaclava'd police grab teams, along with her whanau, dragged outside and lined up along a fence, made to kneel at gunpoint facing the wall with her hands on her head, by highly charged P'd up armed paramilitary policemen with balaclavas. How could there be any other thought go through her 12 year old head other than this was a firing squad?

(Personally, at 12 I reckon I'd be scared and confused. But I know I wouldn't be going 'ZOMG! FIRING SQUAD! And on another note: Because Children don't have guns and never kill people, do they? )

How about this one: Its been 168 years since the signing of the treaty, and yet we still have people like yourself you are walking composites of intentionally festered ignorance.

(It's been 168 years and yet we still have dirty leeches like you, and a large percentage of the Maori population dropping out of school and committing crimes. Not saying that all do it, but a large percentage has been proven to.)

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Above, have you ever stopped to consider why it tends to be Maori who supposedly 'drop out of scholl and commit crimes'? Could it be that systems in NZ, such as our schools and education, or even most institutions, are simply not geared towards chnaging that pattern — but rather continue to enforce the trend, as well as your rather schoolyardish views on Maori (or, more specifically, that all Maori are on the dole).

Have you ever stopped to consider that the treaty you 'never signed' was in fact a document so riddled with error and misunderstanding it effectively stole a people's land from under them?

Have you ever stopped to consider that this country of yours, the fact that you can sit there in a postiton of white privilege and cry foul on all 'dole bludging protestors' — the reason you're even here — is because of years of repression, colonisation and intimidation?

I don't understand how you can actually sit there and spew forth this kind of ignorance and try and justify it with identifying folks as 'dirty leeches'. I'd imagine if you weren't white you comments would be rather different.

Come back with some proper analysis, or don't come at all.

Jared D

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You didn't sign Te Tiriti neither did I. Yet YOU still reap the benefits of mass resources alientations, while the rest of Muriwhenua still suffers the long term consequences and intergenerational effects of wholesale land thefts, with the resulting cross-generational heritage of impoverishment, deprivation and dispossession.

You haven't read the Muriwhenua Land Report & all the other mounting data & supportive literature outlining inequalities, or you wouldn't assume Maori have got it easy.

Get an education.

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"What's your point"

Sorry I assumed you knew what a kohanga reo bus is, its a bus that picks up 3 to 5 year old children to take them to kohanga reo.

Now lets try that again, whats your response to that.

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I think Iggy the racist has had their head up their ass so long the skin has grafted from face to ass, so youre pushing shit up hill trying to make a point with them, theyre a tool, period.

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"How about this one: English is compulsory in schools in Tuhoe where most of the population speak Maori as their first language.

(We're a English country.)"

Golly and I thought I was in the South Pacific. Been a lousy summer these last few months hasn't it?

Cheers

Sam Buchanan

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"(We're a English country.)"

I think you meant to say, "We're *an* English country".

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Helen Clark said that Maori Seabed & Foreshore protesters were all, "haters and wreckers" and that she would rather meet Shrek the sheep. She said that the Maori Party was the last cab off the rank.

When the 4 Maori Party MP's try and tell people not to sign a bad deal, they get ignored and even admonished for their efforts. Yet while Allan Titford got millions for his Te Roroa farm, Maori are offered a mere 2 percent settlement of the total value of assetts lost through Crown breaches of the Treaty.

This is not a good deal people, again Maori tangata whenua status is diminished by the doormat mentality of the few. The only way NZ can have true power sharing in that Den of wolves, is to send Parliamentary warriors in there to battle for the people.

Whoever that person is, that asserts Maori have it good, do your own research & education. Go & manipulate your story somewhere else.

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Wow, you got me on another typo. Or maybe because I type these replies up late at night when I have nothing better to do?

And congrats, seems like you got me on the not understanding a word in a different language. WOW! ZAZ!

And I do have an education. Or is having and education meaning you must know about a race of people who generally cause mayhem in town?

Lets face it. Maori more than anyone else seem to buy into this gang culture going around. You cannot deny that, at all. Youth gangs, anyone? (And no, that's not saying there're only Maori youth-gangs. But the only Youth Gangs I've seen, the members tend to be the darker-shade.)

WOOPS! Not an English country, my bad. A British Colony. Does that sound better? Because we've never formally broken away, so to speak.

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You still have not provided research evidence to support your argument that Maori have an easy time.

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"Or is having and education meaning you must know about a race of people who generally cause mayhem in town?"

Wow, and without further adieu, I award you with the lifetime achievement HUA award for having ur head so far up your ass your cranial is crushing ur tonsils…

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Wow, congrats with the picture there, douch-bag! But let's face it. What I said is true, whenever I go into town, it's these American-gangster-Homie ripoff gangs that are rocking around causing the trouble. I can say 'Dark' people, because that's pretty much who it is.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all Maori/Samoan/etc Youths are in gangs. But almost all youths in gangs are Maori/Samoan/etc

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"Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all Maori/Samoan/etc Youths are in gangs. But almost all youths in gangs are Maori/Samoan/etc"

As has been previously stated,
"The notion of “special privileged treatment” for Maori has been critiqued by numerous sources. See, for example, Durie, 2005"
Yet you have consistently failed to prove any relationship between your assumptions and your claims to having been educated.

You do not provide supportive data and research to back up your assertions that Maori have it so good. Now since you claim to be educated, where is your documentary evidence to back up your most recent above-mentioned generalisations?

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"What I said is true, whenever I go into town, it's these American-gangster-Homie ripoff gangs that are rocking around causing the trouble."

You fail to understand gang culture. A succesful gang doesn't cause trouble because they have no need to, people are scared of them already, and trouble is bad for the real job of money making.

The powerful gangs in this country ran amok sometime ago, stole land, burned down people's houses, murdered those who stood up to them and now sit around living it upon the profits and blaming those who object for "causing trouble". The ultimate aim of any gang is to cow people into submission and become entrenched enough to be regarded as a normal part of society and to be seen as 'protectors' of the community.

Given your weird claim that it's OK for English to be a compulsory subject for Maori as we are a 'British Colony' (in other words, we are under the control of a very successful ethnic gang originating in England), I guess you've decided a society based on gang culture is acceptable, but please permit me to think otherwise.

Cheers

Sam Buchanan

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Maori do not live in privalege, but you do.

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Nice job on the Head Up Arse award, if anyone deserved it its johnny rebel the servile peon.

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ROTFL with the HUA award! That was priceless.

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I think it's entirely possible, stereotypes aside, that most associates and gang members are perhaps white. gangs don't have a large public presence these days so it's not possible to know unless you're associating with them. the more money gangs make the more they stay out of the public eye.

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Lol, fail.

'(in other words, we are under the control of a very successful ethnic gang originating in England),'

Yes. That's right. All the English-speaking governments are really just gangs.

And I said youth-gangs. You should try looking up those words, you'll see that they're different to actual gangs. Youth gangs are gangs of.. Hrm. Youths. That's right. They're not in it to make money. They just get drunk and start fights with people. In groups. Hell, they come up with shitty names like the 'Rosyln Red scarfs.'

You want me to provide you with documented evidence of Youth gangs? I'm sure you have the ability to research this stuff. That is, unless you count everything that's against your so-called 'cause' as fake, which is the case, from what I have seen here.

Some one voices a different view, and you say it's wrong, instantly. You delete other peoples' comments from this forum. Is that not how fascists work, by denying and removing people who disagree with them? (Or in this case, deleting their 'voice'.)

I guess if you spend all your life fighting everything that comes near you, you end up becoming the thing you hate most.

But none of you realize this, at all. You try and justify your anti-government and anti-police 'tudes however you can.

Some one steals your car, breaks into your house, who are you going to call? The Cops.

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BORING- I'm so pissed your parents were allowed to breed!!!

Kia kaha MY peoples
in solidarity

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"All the English-speaking governments are really just gangs."

Not just the English-speaking ones.

"You delete other peoples' comments from this forum. Is that not how fascists work, by denying and removing people who disagree with them?"

No, fascists take over the state and criminalise dissent. I don't see anybody at IndyMedia dragging you off to prison, and your comments still seem to be up on this site. Nor is anybody at IndyMedia stopping you starting your own blog, handing out a leaflet or holding a public meeting.

"I guess if you spend all your life fighting everything that comes near you, you end up becoming the thing you hate most."

That's not so much a guess as repetition of a trite statement without any logic or evidence - you're going to have to do better than that.

Cheers

Sam Buchanan

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Wow I wonder why the youth gangs in south auckland are mostly of polynesian descent, the youth gangs in christchurch are of pakeha descent, and the youth gangs called boy racers are mostly pakeha / asian descent. Now why is that hmmmm cant compute, brain block, oh fuck thats right, its probably because polynesians make up the majority of the poor in south auckland...oh shit, pakeha make up both the rich and poor in christchurch....and...well fuck me....middle class NZ is mostly white so they can afford them flash racing cars, there ya go, thats why the boy racers.....

cant even be bothered finishing that one.

The reason why most people giving you shit on here mate is because youre either really stupid or youre being disingenous. Add to that this media portal doesnt exist as a direct educational tool for lefties to sit around trying to re-educate the misinformed.

If you wanted a right winged white is right response to your meanderings then try either http://newzeal.blogspot.com although ol trevor running that site is a litte broken arsed at the moment since the communist al qaeda plant called Obama has taken his US away and given it to the communist, or http://www.stormfront.org, theyll love you there.

Failing that, go join NZFirst, they share all your views.

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Now that you communists have Obama in as your president I am going to go live in Glenfield where all the gangs are white.

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Hey, you ignorant racist fool, while yoúre in Glenfield please put up a big fence and lock yourselves in. Infact better seal off the sky too, you know those made darkies, they might try and bomb yoụ. Oh no and maybe there blood got into yours so perhaps you should start exterminating anyone who cannot prove they have 100% pure Aryan blood.

Fools.

Take a proper look at NZ historỵ. You are probably part of the working class brought out to NZ to work the lands of the absent landlord ruling class, back in jolly ole England. Taught to blame the Maori and other immigrants, people you didn't understand perhaps, for making your life so hard because those who really controlled you were nowhere to be seen...

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Lots and lots of claims that those arrested did nothing wrong.

Fair enough, lets have them campaign to release all the intercepted communications, text messages etc so that EVERYONE can see and hear what they were talking about?

Rather telling that they aren't doing this. Maybe they don't want people to know, maybe they have something to hide.

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Anyone who knows about court processes realises subjudicae information cannot be released. That's why the cops LEAKED some info to the news media, so as to feed the bigotry & ignorant redneck mentality.

More & more the redneck fool is showing how UNeducated he is.

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"lets have them campaign to release all the intercepted communications"

Lets start with you. Set up a bug in your house, your favourite drinking establishment, your car and your phone. Record it for two years. Send me the tapes and Ill sift through them for tasty morsels and release them on Indymedia.

Think you can go two years without saying something that could be construed as illegal?

I bet that in 6 months I would have enough to charge you with planning a terrorist act.

Heres the first example:
Idiotboy to Unkown: "Hey what you doing on the weekend. Time to let off some fireworks?"

My notes: "I believe this person called idiotboy is building bombs and this weekend coming intends along with his mate to blow up parliament, either that or perhaps theyre just gonna let off some fireworks....nope Im gonna go with the Parliament thingy."

Next
Idiotboy to unknown male: "Dont forget to take out the packet of McCains."

My Notes: I believe idiotboy intends to assassinate John McCain, either that or is asking someone to take a packet of McCains out of the freezer.....nope Im gonna go with the assassination.

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"Lots and lots of claims that those arrested did nothing wrong"

Na noone is making any claims except for you. The trial will bring out the claims of innocence to the charges. What you are trying to engineer is a trial by blog, and that sir you can go fuck yourself with because it aint going to happen.

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Just one example of police behaviours:
http://indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/209/index.php

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I dont read much about this ,but as a pakeha , there shld be no place for cops making kids kneel at gunpoint in Aotearoa !!! how dare they the scum bullys

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As a pakeha or anybody. This is not Beijing, surely???

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The Special Tactical Groups got their early morning brief, about 2am, all they heard was Al Qaeda and that was enough to send them into a frenzy. Once you invoke that title then the subjects upon which it is invoked are no longer seen as humans warranting human rights.

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"Na noone is making any claims except for you. The trial will bring out the claims of innocence to the charges. What you are trying to engineer is a trial by blog, and that sir you can go fuck yourself with because it aint going to happen."

Nicely outed mate. Gotta watch these under cover cops. Theyre just diggin hard to get anything, any morsel to give them and their bosses the Crown, something to go on with this lost cause of theirs.

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Mr Plod clearly hasn't the university education & qualifications to get to the top of the pecking order any other way.

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See? Everyone against you is a undercover cop.

And are you saying all govt's are gangs? That makes no sense. I don't know about you, but if we didn't have a central leadership, do you think we'd have things like computers, like technology? No. Because big brutes would run everything with their physical strenght. Hard to do research when people come into shit-kick you and take all your stuff.

And hey, up 'till the 1800's the Maori used to eat people. So yeah, we should just give them pretty much everything they want. 'Else they'll eat us.

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"And hey, up 'till the 1800's the Maori used to eat people."

So did every culture at one stage or another, or havent you read Hansel and Gretel, a 14th century tale of medieval hardship where the parents abandon their children into the woods like puppies in a sack, because of lack of food.

They stray into the house of a person who is trying to cook them in an oven.

Stories of cannibalistic witches and wolves hunting little red riding hood litter through European fairy tales, a nice sugar and spice cover up for a history of cannibalism.

Then there was the time when Europeans ground up the remains of Egyptian mummies and sold them as medicine.

Even in the famed crusades cannibalism was one of the means an army on the march survived the ardious journey to Syria then to The Kingdom of Jerusalem. Bet you didnt see that in the Kingdom of Heaven fairy tale recently at the movies.

Then there are the great middle ages famines in which cannibalism was RIFE in Europe. Were talking 14th century....cripes the same time cannibalism was rife in Aotearoa too...now lets see, oh crap there was a great famine here too following a warm population explosion period.

It is common knowledge that cannibalism happened in Aotearoa, but the bit you miss is that the accusations of cannibalism were used as justification for the subjugation or destruction of Maori culture and the dehumanisation of Maori in order to justify the mass theft of their land.

Now lets bring it up to date. Cannibalism which was common at sea, was finally outlawed, or seen as an act of murder in Britain in 1884. Up until then, it was seen as a crime of necessity.

WW2 95,000 germans soldiers were eaten in the Russian POW camps in Stalingrad due to starvation...

And the list goes on.

Now you were saying something about giving everything to the Maori because they practiced cannibalism? Fuck man, that was the excuse the colonials used to TAKE everything from Maori.

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Yep that head is still up his ass and now hes just shovin it harder.

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'14th century' Yes. You got me. Back in the day, people did talk about it.

World War 2? That's right, under the harsh conditions of the war people ate people. Does that make it okay? No.

As a culture, the Maori ate people. So, basically, the Tuhoi clan stayed in the wops and wanted to be tradional Maori? To me, that means you can't pick and choose which pratices' you wanted to keep up.

Ergo Cannibals. Any culture that praticed cannibalism and stuck to it, deserves only extermination.

I have more to say, but I shall say that when I am less drunk.

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An alcoholic. Yuck.

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Youre an idiot and a moron. Dont blame the piss for that.

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White supremacy is still number one in this country.

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Irregardless of what you think about Tuhoe, it must piss you off that they are still holding strong to their will to be independant.

I mean, be a racist yourself who has espoused racist perspectives in this discussion, this must be a serious source of frustration to warrant coming into a discussion and devoting so much of your time to try and convince activists that are most probably not Tuhoe, and are most probably 100 times more informed and educated on this countrys history than you seem to be, that somehow theyve got it all wrong, that in fact your naive, prejudiced and fearful view of history is the right one.

Why do I think you are a racist. Well firstly you have studied history to some level. That means you will have had to ignore large amounts of the history of this country in order to maintain your fearful and low level of ideas surrounding the Maori.

Secondly every word you have spouted here stems from the position of racial supremacy. It was from these types of ideas that lead the Nazis to believe the Jews needed extermination.

I do not care that you are a racist, the world is full of them and you are most suredly one of them. What I do care about is who you are insulting with your racist opinions.

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"Any culture that praticed cannibalism and stuck to it, deserves only extermination."

Can anyone else see the link here. Almost every person that comes onto this site to defend the police and the racist actions of the state, inevitably end up proving themselves to be white supremacist neo nazis.

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"Any culture that praticed cannibalism and stuck to it, deserves only extermination."

Good luck on your quest...

Yes once again proving that racial prejudice via dehumanisation is still alive and thriving in parts of Aotearoa.

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None of you will get anywhere arguing with an alcoholic. His defiance/denial is a common response to society as a whole, whether the addict is under the influence or not. This is associated with a feeling that one does not fit, exactly, into society.

Dependence on other persons exists in an exaggerated form in most alcoholics/addicts. They get off on the attention. This behaviour & mentality is part of the chemical dependent illness.

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None of you will get anywhere arguing with an alcoholic. His defiance/denial is a common response to society as a whole, whether the addict is under the influence or not. This is associated with a feeling that one does not fit, exactly, into society.

Dependence on other persons exists in an exaggerated form in most alcoholics/addicts. They get off on the attention. This behaviour & mentality is part of the chemical dependent illness.

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Unfortunately alcoholism also remains quite prevalent among police officers.

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Don't blame the liquor. Intoxication also makes the lips loose, and "from out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh", what does it speak?

"...deserves only extermination"

Genocide.

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No it's not the grog, it's the chemical addict's personality.

Although the "alcoholic personality" results from the disease, rather than causing the disease, certain individuals are predisposed towards such addictions.

The notion that the personality of an alcoholic exists before the onset of the disease is most strongly articulated by those who advocate a concept known as the "addictive personality." According to supporters of this concept, the addictive personality is a distinct psychological trait that predisposes particular people to addictions.

Again alcohol dependency is a known problem within the police service.

The irrational beliefs & denial certainly hint at alcohol problems.

Either way folks, the individual is one sick puppy & should seek help.

Five people charged with participation in an 'organised criminal

Ninja's boarding the Kohanga Reo bus was bad.
#file_1#
But forcing children to kneel down at gunpoint is abusive.

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Youre an idiot

I find it amusing people who type 'Youre' without the ' and then go on to call someone else an idiot.

And wait! Clearly I must be addicted to booze, because I got drunk on a Saturday night. Must be. You got me. How many of you lot smoke up? Let's face it. From what I've seen of your 'type' of people, insulting someone for being drunk is hypocritial to the extreme.

You go off into the middle of no where and build a community which is anti-government. Yet you use Western Materials to build everything. You buy Western guns, etc, etc. Good work at 'Sticking it to Whitie.'

And, as I said before. Should the Maori get anything, since they are using their past to claim modern Day benefits? No, they shouldn't. They are claiming from a past where they used to run around, hit each other with sticks and eat each other. WOW! That's a culture I want part of. Please, give me free shit because my ansecestors used to kill each other and eat people.

Nice work, douche-bags.

Oh yeah, and before I forget: The White-supremecy guy down there. Maybe we seem to have White leaders, because the majority of the population here is white? Ergo, that logic would follow that there would be more white people who go to school and decide to become a PM?

ZAZ! Failboat ahoy!

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You support genocide and all you can go on about is punctuation? Pleaz

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One thing the Nazis were good at and that was good punctuation and accurate bookkeeping.

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It speaks volumes of just how values shift when a people come under the oppression of dehumanisation. In this case it is a simple case of where a missing apostrophe is in more dire need of correcting than the pro genocide statement.

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I see the ignoramous is still posting more of the same 3rd Reich mentality.

5 people charged

#file_1#
Speaking of genocide, sure glad I don't drink - especially if the Nazi guy posting his rants on this board is anything to go by.

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"Any culture that praticed cannibalism and stuck to it, deserves only extermination."

take that very logic and have a real close look at DowMonsanto.

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Lol, I'm not a Nazi. I'm not German, I don't support Hitler, and at the end of the day Hitler lost the war for a reason.

So, to sum it up, since I disagree with you all about the Maori Bandits, then I'm a undercover Cop who's an alcoholic Nazi.

Wow. You lot are just so damn clever.

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But you are a hypocryt are you not. I mean, you support the annihilation of the Tuhoe Nation so your opinion about the so called Maori bandits is a moot point.

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I think I'll call you Herman. Herman I'm curious, how do you propose the NZ Govt exterminate the Tuhoe Nation without incurring the wrath of the UN Security Council. I would have thought that in this day and age that would be a politically incorrect act to carry out at the least.

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The European obsession with cannibalism is an interesting one - there seems to have been a deliberate policy of searching for evidence of cannibalism in indigenous cultures. Regardless of whether it existed or not, it became a stick to belabour indigenous people with.

I'm guessing that this happened as cannibalism was one of the few practices generally considered unacceptable in European cultures. Europeans could hadly condemn other cultures for practicing genocide, conquest, torture, violence against women and religious violence without being being held up as hypocrites. Fanning a disgust of cannibalism as a justification for their colonial policies was, and is, about the only moral stand that would stand up to even the slightest analysis.

Cheers

Sam Buchanan

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To the user who is complaining about being misrepresented as an undercover cop and alcoholic Nazi:

You seem rather sure of your opinion and appear not to be embarrased of your views. Why don't you identify yourself for us?

Secondly, your argument regarding the Treaty of Waitangi leaves a lot to be desired.

You said:

"Why should I have to pay for something that is so far back the only way it effects me now is Maori's who get paid out from 'my' money, who in turn waste it?"

In response I ask why Maori should be forced to endure socio-economic inequality that have arisen out of the actions of a colonizing government who used both force and legislation to evict Maori off their land and enforce European notions of boundaries and titles?

If you would like to see examples of this happening right up to the 1930's refer to one of the following:

Making peoples : a history of the New Zealanders : from Polynesian settlement to the end of the nineteenth century / James Belich.

The Treaty of Waitangi / Claudia Orange.

The Penguin history of New Zealand / Michael King.

Struggle without end = Ka whawhai tonu matou / Ranginui Walker.

Also, I would like for you to name an iwi that have wasted the resources they have recieved following a Treaty settlement with the Crown. If you cannot, perhaps you should look into why you hold the view that you do.

A lot of the good that has come out of Treaty settlements tends not to be reported. For instance, if you look at the follow up to the 1983 Motonui-Waitara claim and Tribunal reports (which succeded in altering the way sewage was being dumped) you will find that the Maori claim helped protect the environment in the area.

I'm not asking you to give up your views, but simply that you check the claims you make to see what truth (if any) is in them.

Hamish

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I see no educated or critical argument, much less structural analyis. Just more of his boring Nazi style redneck mentality from an ignorant drunk.

He's just another time waster folks.

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Fortunately I have time to waste, and I dont buy that drunk excuse, he is a supporter of genocide and needs to stop making excuses about it.

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I never said drinking should be an EXCUSE. However having worked with drunks, I find them difficult to take seriously.

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Lothar Von Trother, Herman Goering, Tito and Pinochet were all pissheads mate. They also supported the ideas of genocide for ideological reasons.

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Herman said: "I'm not going to say what I think on this computer... but I'll air my opinions pretty soon."

Then pretty soon arrived a few posts later...

Hermin confessed: "Any culture that praticed cannibalism and stuck to it, deserves only extermination."

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Have the paramilitary police won this round concerning criminalisation of dissent?

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What does it matter what he wants, he only thinks he is God. He is nobody, with nothing, who just likes to fool with your head.

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"
Lothar Von Trother, Herman Goering, Tito and Pinochet were all pissheads mate. They also supported the ideas of genocide for ideological reasons. "

True but this dick isn't worth it.

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WAH WAH WAH!

As I said before. I was drunk on a saturday. I'm not using that as an excuse. Infact, I think I said 'I'll go on about this when I'm not drunk.' Or something to that effect. I cba to look down and find it. But you get the gist.

They're not a nation. They're on New Zealand land. And if they're claiming to be their own nation, with their own laws, etc, etc, then I have no problems with the country of New Zealand invading them.

Oh, wait.

Also, the guy who called me Herman and a what not.. You've got me mixed up with another poster.

Why do I have to share who I am to anyone? Oh, that's right. It's okay for you anti-government types to use anonymous, but if someone else does you have a cry about it.

Ah, you lot amuse me so much. So very much. Everything is evil to you. Police, government, anything that helps the human race as a whole, it appears.

And yet the Government gave you roads and supermarkets, cars and planes. You'll ring the cops if your house gets broken into, or if someone in your family gets attacked.

Isn't it a little stupid to be bagging things that actually help you, as a person?

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"True but this dick isn't worth it."

I know but I dont really have much else to do so just playing with him.

Now Herman: You are making excuses, you are the worst kind of racist. The one that bottles it all up inside. You use what would be described as watered down arguments the cat is out of the bag son, dont try and deny youre not the same person, its you mate, the racist pro-genocide right wing extremist.

"Why do I have to share who I am to anyone"

Na dont bother, I dont really care who you are so keep it to yourself. Now that you have exposed your true motive I dont see where you can go from here. We all know what you really want deep down.

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Lol. The post that said 'I'll voice my own ideas soon' or whatever wasn't me.

Nawh. I'm not a racist. But a group of people who want to go out into the wops and 'live how they used to' Which must mean eating people as well(I like how no one denyed that at all) Should not be allowed to do that, and should be exterminated.

Cults tend to get put down and exterminated, but a ethnic minority/seperatist group isn't allowed to be? Nice logic, spazz.

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"Nawh. I'm not a racist."

"As a culture, the Maori ate people. ....any culture that praticed cannibalism and stuck to it, deserves only extermination."

"But a group of people who want to go out into the wops and 'live how they used to' Which must mean eating people as well(I like how no one denyed that at all) Should not be allowed to do that, and should be exterminated."

"Cults tend to get put down and exterminated, but a ethnic minority/seperatist group isn't allowed to be? Nice logic, spazz."

So youre argument to defend yourself against the claim you are a racist is to further define why you think Maori and in particular, Tuhoe should be exterminated?

What, no piss to blame this time, you are a racist bigot mate, and youre argument is now totally fucked as is your integrity on the matter.

Go join the police force if you havent already. When they hear of your lovely views on the extermination of Maori, they will fast track your arse into the Special Investigation Group.

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Herman, Herman, Herrrrrmannn. What a moron and a disserppointment to white supremacists you turned out to be. You're not supposed to give away our true intent to the left and the the brownie, idiot!

Those types of discussions are best kept within the klan and only spoken about when were sitting around seig heiling at my Kyle Chapman military training camp here in Rangiora called servive club.

The tekneek we use in public is talk about alliances with the moari against the impending slant eyed asian invasion of the south island, while saying the treaty is a fraud and our inglewood, rosewood treaty is the real one.

ive managed to stop the klan from nazi saluting in public and have edited out any pictures on our white survival site that have real guns, but you are not helping our corz Herman.

Since one of our hidden agenders alone with chasing out the slant eyed devil is also the same as yours, the extermination of the moari.

So come join us if you're in the area, even though were an armed militia, we're 100% white and 100% 'right', so the Govament and police leaves us alone.

Kyle Chapman
http://www.youtube.com/v/J8DjxYtHwiM

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Government built roads? I thought workers did that....

Jared D

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Personally I'd rather chance it in the bush with a bunch of white guys with paint ball guns than a bunch of angry activists with molotovs and napalm.

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Personally I'd rather chance it in the bush with a bunch of white guys with paint ball guns than a bunch of angry activists with molotovs and napalm.

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Well that particular paintball lot are training up to use military bush tactics to defend the South Island against the Asian invasion by mounting a guerilla campaign against the Double Happy Dragon - Chinese takeaways in Rangiora. And like Herman, they also support the idea of genocide committed on the indigenous people of this country......so you're going to fit right in arsehole.

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Maori and in particular, Tuhoe should be exterminated?

Not all Maori. But I reckon they do have to get their shit sorted out and stop relying on everyone else to give them hand outs.

The 'Tuhoe Nation' as you say it, is on New Zealand land, and has.. Well, 'Taken' it so to speak. If they see themselves as their own nation. Then sure, go in and take them over. They don't own that land. Their cannibalistic 'olds traded their land for guns and whiskey. Good deal at the time, I guess.

Honestly, the treaty hurts this country more than it helps it.

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"They don't own that land. Their cannibalistic 'olds traded their land for guns and whiskey. Good deal at the time, I guess"

Where the fuck are you drawing these bullshit claims from?

The peoples of Tuhoe and other iwi in the central North Island have a long history of resisting both enforced land "sales" and occupation/confiscation (See Belich's Making Peoples or Walker's Struggle Without End)

"Honestly, the treaty hurts this country more than it helps it."

By "country" I assume you are talking about non Maori. It's easy to put down the Treaty when your not part of the group that has been disadvantaged because it wasn't recognised for over 100 years.

If you were the only one who thought like this I wouldn't care. The problem is that, like you, too many people in New Zealand hold an uninformed and limited view of both the Treaty's history and the way that Maori, the Waitangi Tribunal and the Crown engage with it.

Hamish

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Hey, at least we in New Zealand are treating 'them' better than the Abbo's over in Auz. How many other countries that've been taken over have looked after the natives with schemes like help for education, mandatory seats at the Beehive? Hell, the Maori may not even BE the Natives to this place.

Either or, I think the majority of New Zealanders share this view for a reason. And by this 'Country' I mean NEW ZEALAND. The place where you live. You know, the people who pay your sickness benefits and dole.

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"Maori and in particular, Tuhoe should be exterminated?"

Dont try to back out now Herman, you said it earlier, you believe they all should be wiped out. Theres no going back now sunshine.

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No doubt Herman could get a job with Clint Rickards, now he's deemed fit to practise law.

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Lol. So people can't change their minds at all? Well, I guess that means you're all going to be deadbeat hippies till you rot.

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"Lol. So people can't change their minds at all? Well, I guess that means you're all going to be deadbeat hippies till you rot."

According to the SIS, once an activist makes a throw away comment and it is recorded, then that is evidence of their intentions to commit terrorism.

That so called evidence can and will be brought up in court time and time again when it comes to character assassinations.

You support their stance on Maori and environmental activists, a stance they took because of bugged conversations, so while you support them, I will hold you to your 'earlier recorded comments'.

You genocidal twat!

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TERRORISM: IT’S NOT JUST FOR ARABS ANYMORE!

So the terrorism charges against the Urewera 17 (affectionately dubbed ‘Te Quaeda’) have been dropped, and apparently all hell is about to break loose.

Tuhoe are rumbling about alleged breaches of their civil rights, the Solicitor-General maintains that they could have/should have/would have been convicted, and Parliament persists in pushing through the Terrorism Suppression Amendment Bill anyway.

But take heart, patriotic (white) New Zealanders! Kyle Chapman of New Zealand’s National Front is on the case…

More here: http://tinyurl.com/b8s9o4

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Plight of Urewera 17 viewed by the average brainwashed NZ media (mis)informed, REDNECKS &" UNCLE TOM QUIZLINGS.

http://www.realwomen.co.nz/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,60/func...

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"This is nothing more than racist claptrap. I wonder what sort of nightmares Nia Glassey had and the countless other moari women and children who have suffered at the hands of their own"

I wonder what domestic violence rehab or social sciences degree she graduated from sis?