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Expanded anti-terror squad to silence dissent

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“It has been reported that the Army is seeking to expand the Counter Terrorist Tactical Assault Group (CTTAG) based on what they say is ‘a surge in the global war on terrorism’. Yet what they really want is more soldiers for internal ‘terrorism threats’. What are these internal threats? These units have been and will continue to exist to crush domestic political dissent as demonstrated by the police Operation 8 of October 15th 2007” said Justice NOW! Spokeswoman Sally Darity.

“Police Commissioner Howard Broad is accountable for the operational response to threats to national security. Yet he freely admitted on the day of the nationwide State Terror Raids that there was no immediate threat. Following the raids, the Solicitor-General David Collins agreed; charges under the Terrorism Suppression Act were dismissed outright due to lack of evidence.”

‘The police used paramilitary squads to invade and lock down the community of Ruatoki, pointing guns at children, violating people’s rights and literally terrorising the entire community. The CTTG is a bunch of terrorists.”

“The 2010 Olympic games in Vancouver Canada are cited as an example of a large ‘terrorism threat’. In reality, the threat to the Olympics is not from terrorists, it is from ordinary Canadians concerned about the dramatic impacts of the games. There is widespread public opposition to the Olympic Games for a variety of reasons – including the destruction of the environment, the expansion of sport tourism and resource extraction on indigenous lands, the gentrification of poor neighborhoods, and the privatisation of public services and ballooning public debt. These are hardly terrorist ideas.”

“Political activists are being targeted as the economy goes down the gurgler. Those with power do not want to be challenged; they want to maintain their positions of privilege and control. They will use whatever means are necessary including spying, infiltration of community groups, unions and political parties, and will not stop at the use of terrorist violence if necessary.”

“The only terrorists in this country are in the Beehive and the boardrooms. They created the ‘war on terrorism’ as a way to sow fear, expand the police and military, and consolidate their power. There is no negotiation with terrorists like these. There is but one solution: revolution.”

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Someone better go warn Tuhoe these idiots are tooling up.

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You do realise that CTTAG were not involved in Operation 8, right?

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And you know this how? I would have thought the only people that know this for sure would be....CTAG

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CTAG or CTTAG? You don't seem to realise that they are two different entities.

I'd say it was pretty obvious that CTTAG were not involved due to that statutory reporting requirements that John Key would have to undertake when using the military in a law enforcement role.

Then again, don't let me ruin the conspiracy theory; as you were with the tinfoil hat.

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Well its all conspiracies...even your claim, since again, the only ones that would know that they werent involved would be CTTAG or CTAG or the SAS...the rest is just guesswork.

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"You do realise that CTTAG were not involved in Operation 8, right?"

You do realise Greg, that we know that one of the state sponsored terrorist operators in CTTAG broke his leg while parachuting into the Tuhoe forest...

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'You do realise that CTTAG were not involved in Operation 8, right?'

Whether they were involved or not is of no consequence, what is important to remember is that with every new anti terror unit that is formed whether army or police, there seems to be a tendency for them to go look for Al Qaeda, find nothing, then turn their attention to their oldest foes, Maori, in order to justify their continued existance.

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The 'terrorist' threat in Canada (and Tuhoe) including the threat to the status quo of colonial oppression of Indigenous peoples, and denial of their right to self determination:
http://www.no2010.com/

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CTTAG was set up some time in 2002/3.

CTTAG & CTAG are as different as the WINZ & MSD.

NZ doesn't have enough armed and capable people to have conducted Op 8 without deputising soldiers as police to subvert the existing laws.

This relaunch of CTTAG must be to distance it from Police and SIS incompetence.

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Security in the Pacific

Civil Disorder & the Military a legal minefield?

https://share.acrobat.com/adc/document.do?docid=09f67fe4-9e01-4a69-9ee2-...

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What is the role of the CTTG in New Zealand...? What will they be doing and what use do they have....?

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Sorry but this article is both confused and naive. Canada's Olympic security rightly or wrongly has no bearing on the CTTAG issue. As the other poster pointed out this is tinfoil hat territory. there are clearly issues around the CTTAG that need addressed but this just comes accross as student politic ranting. The solution is not and never will be revolution, revolution means going round in circles by the way.

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It is most certainly a rant, but one that is indicative of the feeling amongst activists after decades of being targeted by so called anti-??? groups designed to chase down terror groups from the Communists in the 70s, Libyans through to Al Qaeda. Each group in turn...failed to find terrorists in New Zealand and turned on activists as a means of sustaining their existance...

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The Olympic issue was raised by the mass media as an example of the reasons why the CTTAG needed to be expaneded, comparing it to the Rugby World Cup due to be held here in NZ which is why it is noted in this article.

As other posters have noted, the raids on Ruatoki certainly did include a para-military element, and there is is some evidence that points to the involvement of the SAS and SIS in both in the initial investigation and the subsequent raids and arrests. It is worth remembering that the POLICE HAVE OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILTY FOR TERRORISM RESPONSE. That means that they can call on the services of the CTTAG if they deem it necesssary. Members of the STG are in effect a para-military unit and there is cross-over with the CTTAG.

Naive? Personally, I think that if you imagine that an anti-terror squad can be effectively held to account by this government or any other you are the one who is naive. We can't even get your average constable held accountable for murder, let alone a clandestine security force.

And as for revolution. Yes, it means going around - all the way around to something completely totally different to what is going on now.

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How do you get all the way around to something different? Doesn't this mean you have already been there and...so, well...is not different?

Sally, are you hot or just another hairy activist? It always seems to be the case that female activists are never hot. I'm not qualified to comment on the men. Can you post a photo of yourself so we can start a meaningful discussion on this?

Ta muchly.

Let's Outlaw Islam

This is very good news for people who do not like terror in their world. However the best way would actually be firstly to outlaw islam (as this is a chief source of terror) including immigrants who proclaim this religion, and secondly to outlaw all harmful weapons (including anything deemed to be harmful)in the hands of any citizen.

anyhow, this is a step in the right direction

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And just how mych tyranny would it take to enforce such outlawing?

Anyone that thinks that these anti terror squads are having any affect of reducing terrorist attacks in the world are living in an illusion.

What should be happy news is that there has only been 2 terrorist attacks in this country - the attack on GreenPeace and on the Trades Hall. And in both cases the powers that be either totally missed it or turned a blind eye to it.

The reason this is so is that NZ rarely negatively interfers in the business of other countries until recent times. Most of our interaction with overseas countries has been aid, the UN, sports and shovelling our dairy all over the globe.

This is changing rapidly with the creation of NZ so called anti-terror units working with the US in the middle east on their war of terror. It won't take long before the actions of these units puts us on the radar fighting their ideological wars of terrorism and against drugs.

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This was in reference to Lets Outlaw Islam comment below

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Outlaw christianity and judaism as well? Or is it only some religions who have people who support 'holy war'...

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Or dont outlaw any religion and refuse to accept the lie that religion is behind terrorism attacks but rather the foreign policies of the Government of a country that has not been able to put away its warring tyrannous ways since the end of its revolution in 1783.

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Thanks for the response Sally.

I take your point about the MSM using canada as an example so withdraw that critisim. As for the nature of the CTTAG as a paramilitary force, I would prefer such as force to be under military jurisdiction primarily as the Military on the whole is less politicised, institutionally racist and unaccountable than the police force (although it is far from perfect). Re revolution invariably the wheeel revolves all the way around, there is no sucessful example of a revolutionary movement improving the circumstances of an average citizen. If you want to enact political change it has to be organic and incrimental. Unfortunatly for revolutionary movements they tend to be fairly narrow focused, primarily around a minority interest of one kind or another and therefore cannot gain popular support. So yes I stand by my statement that the article is naive. This type of politicing is always marginalised becauseit does not resonate with enough of the populous to gain traction. I agree with the premise that the CTTAG is probably a bad idea, but it will be accountable t othe govt of the day, the issue is more around how accountable that Govt is to the people who elected it. If a govt has popular support (as the current govt does given its mandate at the polls last year) then to call for its overthrow because you disagree with its policies means to turn your back on democracy, a route which always leads to tyranny.

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outlaw all 3 lies, Christianity & its hypocrisy, Islam & its dark ages, Judiaism & its lies and enslavement usery.
all 3 are based on LIES.

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Hang on a second, has New Zealand just come under Martial Law?

To compare military rule as prefferable to police/civil is a pretty dumb thing to say.

NEW TERRORIST THREAT SQUAD UNNECESSARY THREAT

The lawyer for Tuhoe activist Tame Iti says a new tactical response group to address threats of domestic terrorism is unnecessary.

The government intends to recruit former SAS soldiers for the unit, ostensibly to monitor international threats in the lead-up to and during the 2011 Rugby World Cup.

Annette Sykes says despite the ongoing prosecution of Iti and others arrested in the so called 2006 terror raids in Ruatoki, says domestic terrorism is virtually unheard of in this country.

“We have an existing threat assessment unit. We have existing forces within the police to deal with these kinds of threats, an a just and free and democratic society we are in Aotearoa has to ask is this really necessary, have we had these kinds of threats in our history, in our modern history. Are we likely to? We’re a country that prides itself on its civil rights and we’ve really got to start thinking about these matters,” Ms Sykes says.

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Well, if Tame Iti's lawyer said it then it must be true. Can't possibly argue given her globally recognised status on the matter. No Sir. Won't argue that.

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SAS had a Counter-Terrorism role for a while before CTTAG was created. This just simply parcels out the CT/black role responsibility to another unit/subunit.

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"...then to call for its overthrow because you disagree with its policies means to turn your back on democracy, a route which always leads to tyranny..."

Democracy is another form of tyranny.

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Oh Good God! It's not worth talking to people like you really is it? You must be terribly boring at parties.

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Oh Good God! It's not worth talking to people like you really is it? You must be terribly boring at parties.

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and you sir are a fearmonger and a naive stooge of tyranny.

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And you, you charlatan are a polluter of the net. What say ye to that you cur?

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"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

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Can someone answer this?

CTTAG operations in NZ are without Police oversight? CTTAG are part of the NZDF operating on our domestic population?
As such this is the direct action of the military over the civil population, or Martial Law?

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Yes, and in any other country this would cause an uproar. But the climate in this country is at a stage where because we are under constant terror attacks....we will take any measures the state dishes out to us as necessary evils to combat Al Qaeda in NZ Zealand.

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Its important that we, the USA, defend ourselves from internal threats such as those from iran and the taliban. I just hope the CTTAG are trained to use some nukes on them damned terrorists.

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Well since we don't have 'nukes' down here, it looks like it will be up to the US again... But hey if you mean 'internal' in the US. You should start with those terrorists in Washington, may be drop some agent orange too, that could be a NZ/US job.

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Some hyper-paranoid P-freaks posting on this thread. Absurd shit-scared comments from people living in quiet boring old "stale New Zealand", to quote W S Burroughs.

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Or perhaps theyre just tired of the bullshit so decided to just take the piss from now on.

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The military has always worked in unison with the cops in civil matters in this country, they have done so in secret though. An example is up on the north shore of Auckland at this very moment, police and army are conducting a search for some people they were chasing last night.

NZ is a pretty soft easy pushover when it comes to breaking down civil rights. All the feds are doing here is sending a ping...a test to gauge public opinion, uproar if any, at the idea of the army police the civilian population.

So far there hasnt been a wimper, no surprises there.

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The army isn't doing anything, though the airforce is because it's so close to Hobsonville airbase.

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Wow the airforce is using NZ Army digs and vehicles these days, I didnt know that.

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MOST OF THESE THUGS A JEWISH OR PART JEW.

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Wow... that was... really literate, care to expand on that so that just maybe you make some kind of sense?
P.S. turn your caps lock off.

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How successful was Operation Terrorise Tuhoe anyways? To me it seems to not have achieved some of its objectives.

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As long as there is hunger, poverty, deceit and control over good people by tyranical governments there will always be a fight to be fought... For truth, peace and prosperity is not free. TRUTH can no longer be supressed. People either have to become educated and fight for their human right to live free and prosperous or face the fact that this beautiful world we live in now will soon come to pass if we DO NOTHING!