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Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

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Should a group of anti-semites be allowed to take over a community building on Anzac weekend? This is a letter which I have just sent to Auckland City Councillor Cathy Casey, who hails from the Eden-Albert ward.

Dear Cathy,

I am contacting you about the day-long symposium which Uncensored magazine has announced it will be holding on the 26th of April at the Mt Albert War Memorial Hall. Uncensored is selling tickets to the event for fifty dollars, and promising a range of speakers.

Uncensored magazine is edited by Jonathan Eisen, who is one of New Zealand's leading conspiracy theorists. Eisen believes that events like the 9/11 attacks, the economic crisis and global warming are the work of a sinister and secret international cabal. Many of the contributors to Uncensored equate this cabal with the Jewish people.

The January-March issue of Uncensored offers examples of the magazine's anti-semitism. The cover of the issue shows Barack Obama with a star of David on his sleeve, suggesting he is a tool of Jews. An article inside called 'The Unspeakable Truth of 9/11' insists that the Israeli spy agency Mossad orchestrated the attacks on the World Trade Centre, and another article called 'The Real Agenda behind the Monetary Crisis' calls the world's media 'Jewish-occupied' and claims that Jews control the American Federal Reserve. Yet another article claims that Monica Lewinsky was a Mossad agent, and calls her 'President Clinton's chunky Jewish girlfriend'.

The new, April-June issue of Uncensored takes the anti-semitic theme even further - it includes an article alleging that the diary of famous Holocaust victim Anne Frank was a hoax.

Many of the contributors to Uncensored have strong connections with the neo-Nazi movement. The author of the article that attacks Lewinsky is Christopher Bollyn, who regularly writes for the Barnes Review, a publication which exists to deny the Holocaust and rehabilitate the Nazi regime. In the Review's July/August 2004 issue, for example, Alex S Perry jr argued that Adolf Hitler should have received the Nobel Peace Prize, because he was a good man who was forced into a defensive war by Jews.

Uncensored also features the work of local bigots. The January-March issue, for instance, includes an article called 'Suppressed Ancient History of New Zealand' by Martin Doutre, a man who has become notorious for his claims that ancient Celts arrived in New Zealand thousands of years ago, before being conquered and eaten by the ancestors of the Maori in relatively recent times.

Doutre believes that Maori lacked the intelligence to create the culture commonly associated with them, and insists that taonga like hei tiki and carved wharenui were actually created by white people. Doutre is an outspoken defender of the jailed Holocaust denier David Irving, and is a leading member of the One New Zealand Foundation, which opposes all forms of Maori culture.

The keynote speaker at the Uncensored symposium is Lloyd Pye, an American researcher who claims that human beings interbred with alien thousands of years ago. Pye's ideas have been promoted by many people on the extreme right, because they provide an excuse for disreagrading the evidence that all humans come from the same ancestors in Africa.

In his advertisement for the Uncensored symposium, Jonathan Eisen encourages the public to visit the website Red Ice Creations to find out more about Lloyd Pye's ideas. Red Ice Creations is a large, slickly produced clearing house for conspiracy theories. It regularly features the work of Holocaust deniers and other bigots. On the third of this month, for instance, the site's owners posted and recommended a new video by the Adeliade Insitute, an Australian neo-Nazi organisation, called 'Judea Declares War on Germany'. In the video, Adelaide Institute leader Frederick Tobin argues that Auschwitz and other Nazi concentration camps never had gas chambers, and says that the Jews rather than Hitler were to blame for World War Two.

Martin Doutre will be giving a talk on his interpretation of Maori history at the upcoming Uncensored symposium. Jonathan Eisen will be chairing the conference, and the money from ticket sales will go to his magazine. Some of the speakers at the symposium plan to address less political subjects, like the New Age fad of naturopathy, and it is possible that they do not realise the nature of Uncensored magazine and the politics of people like Martin Doutre and Jonathan Eisen. I will be contacting these people to ask them to withdraw from the event.

I accept that Jonathan Eisen and other contributors to Uncensored have the right to free speech and assembly, but I don't think that they should be able to use the Mt Albert War Memorial Hall to promote their views and make money. The hall is a public asset that is supposed to commemorate the loss of New Zealand life in war, and to serve the needs of the community around it, and I don't believe that our community needs Jew-baiting and Maori-bashing.

I think it is particularly inappropriate that Uncensored plans to use the hall on an Anzac weekend, when New Zealanders will be remembering the thousands of their countrymen and women who died opposing the same Nazi ideology that so many of the contributors to Uncensored promote.

I hope that you will use your influence as a City Councillor for the Eden-Albert ward to prevent Uncensored from misusing the Mt Albert War Memorial Hall.

Sincerely
Scott Hamilton

Related

http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2009/03/organic-yohurt-tofu-and-neo-nazi.html

http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2008/12/ironies-of-pseudo-history.html

Comments

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

"Should a group of anti-semites be allowed to take over a community building on Anzac weekend?"

In a free country the answer to that question would of course be yes.

Re: Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

How far do you take free speech? Does it protect slander? Child pornography? Forging bank-notes?

Go on, clever person..

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

a third of the new uncensored is articles 'proving' that the holocaust is a 'zionist hoax'. like hell they deserve to use a public hall. and what was jonathan eisen doing on gpja's pro-palestine rallies. throw him out.

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

do we live in a "free" country

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

Freedom does not require the forging of a suicide pact. Substantive, meaningful freedom doesnt mean anybody can do anything they like regardless of the consequences or effects on others. Perhaps if they were holding their little shindig in private, it would be different. Having it at a community centre makes it a matter of public interest and therefore we don't have to tolerate it. We dont have to encourage the promotion of views that would damage us (ie the wider community).

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

I tend to think it is good to have the nutters out in the open where you can see them (and video tape them in a public place :)

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

"Once again, you delete comments. Clearly this board is against free speech!"

so you obviously don't mind telling others about your rights to free speech but fail to apply those standards to others. why am i not surprised? your causes are lost and your means are contradictory.

i'm happy to say that we live in a free world. your politically correct bullshit only goes so far before your (indymedia and its supporters) hypocrisies becomes glaringly obvious. the least you culd do is to have an ounce of consistency and continue your contradictory demands to ban free speech.

Defamatory Comments

"Many of the contributors to Uncensored have strong connections with the neo-Nazi movement."

I bet you have'nt even met johnathan eisen or even understand his politics. before you go on and embarrass yourself with your defamatory tactics, john is a jew himself and is a man who is passionate about free speech - something indymedia is only in words. like so many in mainsteam media (indymedia is in principle a mainstream outlet) you write off his theories as "conspiratorial" without even reading his work (i can tell this from your article).

next time you slander someone or/and their business please do some proper research.

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

so, you can't stand anti-semitism huh? well, then can you please stop encouraging hamas to blow up the israeli army? oh that's right, you have a right to free speech...

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To the anonymous commenter who alleged I was slandering John Eisen because I said that many of the contributors to Uncensored have close connections to the neo-Nazi movement: all you have to do to confirm my claim is google some of the names in the last two issues of Uncensored.

I mentioned, as an example of the neo-Nazi contributors to Uncensored, Christopher Bollyn, who is involved with the Barnes Review, the journal which thinks Hitler deserved a peace prize.

The latest issue of Uncensored includes a series of articles denying the Holocaust and alleging the existence of a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. Consider, for instance, the article 'The Diary of Anne Frank: some Honest Questions' by Jeff Rense. Rense runs the http://www.rense.com site, which is a frequent source of material for Uncensored.

Rense often uses his website and a radio show he runs in the US to promote the views of neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers.

For instance, Rense has frequently given space and time to the views of Mark Weber, who runs the Institute of Historical Review, a neo-Nazi organisation which specialises in producing claims that the Jews started World War Two and invented the Holocaust after the war.

Rense's article claims that Frank's diary was written by her father. Rense relies for 'evidence' against Anne Frank on Robert Faurrison and Arthur Butz, two of the most notorious Holocaust deniers alive. Butz and Faurisson's claims that the Frank diary was hoaxed have been demolished time and time again.

Faurrison has repeatedly claimed that the attic where the Frank family hid was too small for them, but the German officer who arrested them there has come forward and confessed to the crime. Faurisson's claim that Otto Frank wrote the diary after World War Two was comprehensively demolished by forensic tests over a decade ago.

Predictably enough, Rense's article soon slides from baseless claims against the Anne Frank diary into wholesale denials of the Holocaust. According to Rense and Uncensored, the gas chambers at Auschwitz and other death camps were actually showers, and the Zyklon B which was used to kill Jews was actually used to cure them of lice. Rense gives blatantly false figures for the proportions of Jews and non-Jews in the camps - he claims that only 20% were Jewish, when in fact the vast majority were - in an attempt to cast doubt on the fact that millions of Jews died in places like Auschwitz.

Rense's is only one of half a dozen anti-semitic articles in the latest Uncensored. The magazine tries to disguise its anti-semitism and Holocaust denial by interspersing it with fragments of respectable critiques of Israeli foreign pulled from publications like Haaretz and the London Review of Books. In doing so, it does a disservice to genuine critics of Israel, and gives succour to the right-wing argument that all critics of Israel are anti-semites.

Scott

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

"I bet you have'nt even met johnathan eisen or even understand his politics"
I have met Eisen more often than I wanted to and I tried hard to understand his politics. It didn't work.

"you write off his theories as "conspiratorial" without even reading his work"
During one of the above mentioned encounters, Eisen said that he was a 'conspiracy factualist'. That says it all.

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before they announced plans for this conference uncensored were going to bring david icke to nz. icke cancelled. does anyone deny that david icke is an anti-semite. he quotes the protocols of the elders of zion the most famous anti-semitic text in history in his book 'and the truth shall set you free'. he uses it to 'prove' that jews created the holocaust. the morons from uncensored tho probably wouldn't accept that the protocols are anti-semitic.

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

before they announced plans for this conference uncensored were going to bring david icke to nz. icke cancelled. does anyone deny that david icke is an anti-semite. he quotes the protocols of the elders of zion the most famous anti-semitic text in history in his book 'and the truth shall set you free'. he uses it to 'prove' that jews created the holocaust. the morons from uncensored tho probably wouldn't accept that the protocols are anti-semitic.

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

Mainstream WW2 historians have been revising down the holocaust figures for a number of years now.

The infamous Gas chamber at Auschwitz was actually converted to an air raid shelter, about 18 months before Auschwitz was liberated by the Russians.
It was the Russians who decided to turn it back into a gas chamber so as to show case Nazi atrocities.
The 2 shortish videos below explain this quite well.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=976870941610001004

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-441640420550012012

Re: Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

"The infamous Gas chamber at Auschwitz was actually converted to an air raid shelter, about 18 months before Auschwitz was liberated by the Russians."

How interesting a time line. Then I suppose that HUNGARIAN Jews didn't get gassed at Auschwitz (Jews weren't deported from Hungary until after the the coup replacing the earlier fascist regime with the Cross and Arrow bunch). Cousin Marta will be interested to hear this true history. I guess her experience of spending a night ALONE in one as punishment for having tried to join the group her mother was in didn't happen (she survived as a guinea pig).

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"something indymedia is only in words"

piss off with that bullshit. look through these comments, regular readers are discussing both sides of the debate.

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As usual, the Holocaust deniers refuse to engage with the points made against them, and instead make new outlandish claims.

Now we are directed toward a video by David Cole, who says that in 'ten years of research' he found no proof that the Holocaust took place.

It is difficult to know how to respond to such an insane statement, but one could begin by pointing to the tens of thousands of human beings who have provided first-hand accounts of the horrors of Auschwitz and dozens of other concentration camps.

In most courts of law, the eyewitness testimony of a single witness to a crime is sufficient to bring a conviction. The crime of the Holocaust had innumerable witnesses. Why do the Holocaust deniers completely ignore these voices? We can only answer this question by referring to their anti-semitism. For them, Jews are not capable of giving reliable testimony, because they are by nature duplicitous and conspiratorial. The voices of the survivors of the death camps can thus be disregarded.

To his credit, Cole appears to be an ex-Nazi who has broken with the racist right and repudiated his Holocaust denial. Here is a statement he made in 1998:

'As anyone who follows the subject of the Holocaust denial knows, from 1991 until 1994 I was well known in the movement as a Jewish Holocaust denier (a self-described "revisionist").

For the last three years I have no longer been associated with this movement, having realized that I was wrong and that the path I was taking with my life was self-destructive and hurtful to others...

I would like to state for the record that there is no question in my mind that during the Holocaust of Europe's Jews during World War Two, the Nazis employed gas chambers in an attempt to commit genocide against the Jews. At camps in both Eastern and Western Europe, Jews were murdered in gas chambers which employed such poison gases as Zyklon B and carbon monoxide (in the Auschwitz camp, for example, the gas chambers used Zyklon B). The evidence for this is overwhelming and unmistakable.'

http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/censgunpoint.html

Scott

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To Scott,
Mate I suggest you get off your high horse & do some proper research, providing some sources for these holocaust survivors would be a nice start.

David Cole actually retracted the "repudiation", you so gleefully posted. He had actually received a death threat from a Zionist thug who was later convicted of murder, who thankfully was shamed into commiting suicide.
Here is David Cole's retraction,

""When Rubin put the “hit” on me, I realized I had to get out. In the end, regardless of my love of history, I didn’t want to die. It was just that simple. And that’s what happens when violence and intimidation, or the threat of prosecution, like in Europe and Canada, are introduced into a debate. Anyone who has anything to lose shuts the hell up, or gets the hell out.
Criminalizing Holocaust history hasn’t made the field safe from the lunatic fringe – the anti Semites, the “Holocaust deniers,” the people who have nothing to lose anyway. All it’s done is make serious researchers too frightened to say anything that might get them in trouble. And frankly, it’s irrelevant to me whether the historians who’ve been fined or thrown in prison are right or wrong in their theories and conclusions. Historians should have the right to be wrong. To me, this is a fundamental right that applies to people in every discipline.

What’s needed now is what I call a “post hysteria cleanup.” Whenever society has one of its episodes of mass hysteria, like the “Communist menace” scare of the ’50s, or the “satanic child molestation” hysteria of the ’80s, the media and the politicians jump on the bandwagon and people’s rights get trampled. But after the hysteria inevitably comes the “cleanup,” when we have to clean up the mess we made when we thought the sky was falling.

During the 1990s, there was a hysteria, especially in Europe and Canada, about “Holocaust denial,” and one country after another passed laws aimed at punishing historians, writers, and publishers who step out of line. Well, the hysteria’s over now. It’s time for a cleanup; time to repeal those laws. There are a lot of good reasons to do so, but for me, the number one reason comes down to a basic, simple principle: no one should be thrown in prison for writing a book.""

http://hooverhog.typepad.com/hognotes/2008/12/the-importance-of-peter-fa...

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

So I should do some research on Holocaust survivors? Do you mean that you're not aware of the mountains of affadavits, memoirs, diaries, and oral histories produced by Holocaust survivors? Do you think that we need to authenticate the poems of Paul Celan, the documentary stories of Primo Levi, the diary of Anne Frank, and thousands of other texts? I personally know of two people with family members who were victims of the Holocaust, and I'm a gentile living thousands of miles from Europe. There is a mountain of testimony that contradicts Uncensored's claims that the Holocaust was a myth designed to 'prop up Zionism' (to quote an article in the latest issue).

There are also many, many perpetrators of the Holocaust who have come forward and owned up to their crimes. Karl Silberbauer, the German who arrested and deported Anne Frank and her family, is one of these people. Do you think he and others like him were part of some huge myth-making conspiracy, too?

The only people who can ignore such a mountain of evidence are anti-semitic conspiracy theorists who believe that Jews by their nature are deceptive and conspiratorial. Are you one of those people, anon?

Scott

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

Scott,I'm still waiting for a source, something first hand (not hear say)that people were herded into gas chambers & executed, which will equate to a 7 figure number.
David Cole (a jew) has stated that jews ended up in slave labour camps.
Also I am not a great fan of UNCENSORED as it is a bit of a limited hang out.
The Anne Frank legend is full of holes,she apparantly died of typhoid not zyklone B gas.

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I'd like some evidence or sources that WWII happened at all. I certainly don't remember it (i'm 24) and I have never had anyone give me a first hand account of it. I know, i know, there are millions of books, photos, video footage, material evidence, and historical documentation, but perhaps this was all just made up by PC historians as part of the New World Order, just like they made up the holocaust.

Sound stupid? It is. I am being sarcastic for those stupid enough to actually believe such utter nonsense, in case you couldn't guess. But it outlines the kind of pathetic argument they put forward.

Re: Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

I'd like some evidence or sources that WWII happened at all. I certainly don't remember it (i'm 24) and I have never had anyone give me a first hand account of it. I know, i know, there are millions of books, photos, video footage, material evidence, and historical documentation, but perhaps this was all just made up by PC historians as part of the New World Order, just like they made up the holocaust.

Sound stupid? It is. I am being sarcastic for those stupid enough to actually believe such utter nonsense, in case you couldn't guess. But it outlines the kind of pathetic argument they put forward.

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

Free speech is free speech. There goes the weekend rebels of New Zealand trying to stop people saying what they want to whoever wants to hear it again.

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

Being an anti-Zionist doesnt make you an anti-semite
it doesn't take any intelligence to see that,
so i assume you have none
gb/2 israel

To the Politically Correct Semantically Obssessed

your talking semantics pal,
while your mired in your hypocritical hell,
you keep demanding freedom of speech,
as long as it's politically correct and meek,

you and your friends are the same old sheep that keep believing it simply because "mum and dad" or "my history teacher" told me. you can't rationally get on your soap box and talk about the evils of israel within a world context while simultaneously condemning anti-semitism.

However i'm convinced that you are so immersed in confusion over what you don't believe, and what your friends, indymedia and your latest idols believe, that pointing out your faults has little worth. nevertheless, there we are.

Re: To the Politically Correct Semantically Obssessed

I'm not politically correct, i don't think you understand; in the modern world conflicts are fought through the media and these so called 'semantics' influence a huge amount of people.

Alleged anti-semitism is a powerful tool in the hands of the Zionists and it has to be undermined if there is to be any serious attempt to remedy the misinformation about certain historical events(or mis-events) that plagues western society.

Also i most likely don't believe whatever it is you're referring to..

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

I'd like some evidence or sources that WWII happened at all. I certainly don't remember it (i'm 24) and I have never had anyone give me a first hand account of it. I know, i know, there are millions of books, photos, video footage, material evidence, and historical documentation, but perhaps this was all just made up by PC historians as part of the New World Order, just like they made up the holocaust.

Sound stupid? It is. I am being sarcastic for those stupid enough to actually believe such utter nonsense, in case you couldn't guess. But it outlines the kind of pathetic argument they put forward.

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Asking for evidence of the Holocaust is like asking for evidence of the existence of gravity. There is a broad and straight road leading from Hitler's early pronouncements, to the genocidal rhetoric in Mein Kampf, to Nazi actions during his early years in power, when Jews were excluded from public life and harrassed, to the massacres of Jews and Slavs by SS units working in the rear of the Gemran advance into Poland at the beginning of the war, to the beginning of industrialised slaughter at camps like Auschwitz a couple of years later.

Here's a speech Hitler made in the Reichstag in 1939:

'If international finance Jewry in and outside Europe should succeed in once again plunging the nations into a world war, then the result will not be the victory of Jewry, but rather the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!'
http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/hitler-19390130.shtml

Yet the Holocaust deniers that Uncensored promotes present Hitler as a man of peace, who was forced into World War Two by Jews.

The anonymous Nazi who keeps asking for evidence of gas chmabers at Auschwitz will never be satisfied, because his ideological agenda makes him discount the most obvious evidence, but he could take a look at the mountain of material which was presented when David Irving brought an unsuccessful lawsuit against Deborah Lipstatd and Penguin Books in 2001. A lot of this material is collected at the Holocaust History site:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/

Holocaustd eniers struggle to explain why five or six million Jews went missing in Europe during World War Two, if there was no campaign to exterminate them. They also struggle to explain why there were vast piles of bodies lying about at camps like Auschwitz when these camps were liberated in 1945. If, as the Jeff Rense article in the latest Uncensored claims, Auschwitz was a hospital, then it clearly didn't do a very good job.

There is also the small matter of the many gas chmabers and ovens at Auschwitz. What use would these have, if the place wasn't intended for extermination?

In an essay at the Holocaust History site Professor John Zimmerman summarises the various manoeuvres the neo-Nazis have made to try to explain away the obvious, and shows that at every point they have failed.

The anonymous commenter here seems to be trying the common neo-Nazi manouevre of blaming typhus for the huge piles of corpses and gas ovens that were found at Auschwitz and other camps. It is true that typhus broke out often in the camps, because of the shocking conditions there. But the capacity of the ovens at Auschwitz was out of all proportion to the camp's population at any one time, as Zimmerman explains:

'In August 1942, during the worst period of the typhus epidemic, the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp had 21,451 male prisoners. [24] The information on the female population is missing. However, it is known that the female population was about 8200 in December 1942. [25] This means, according to denier calculations, that the camp authorities were building enough crematorium capacity in the summer of 1942 to incinerate the entire population of the camp in a month...

In 1989, the Auschwitz Archives in Moscow were opened for the first time since the Soviets liberated the camp in January 1945...Among the items discovered were the Auschwitz Death Books. These books contain the death certificates of registered prisoners only. Nonregistered prisoners who were killed upon arrival did not receive a death certificate. The death books are incomplete. They contain the certificates of 68,864 registered prisoners who died from August 1941 to December 1943.There are no books for 1944 or periods prior to August 1941...However, each book contains between 1400 and 1500 entries. [29] By interpolating 1500 entries into each missing death book we can arrive at approximately 80,000 deaths of registered prisoners for 1942 and 1943...

Nevertheless, the nearly 69,000 death certificates available afford researchers the opportunity to see exactly what was killing registered prisoners. It is now known on the basis of these certificates that very few prisoners died from typhus. [32] They show that only 2060 of the 68,864 deaths were from typhus...

What then was killing all of the registered prisoners if not typhus? Perhaps the most revealing part of the death books is what they claim were the causes of death. Many of the causes deal with various forms of heart failure such as "heart attack", "heart muscle degeneration," "heart and circulatory collapse" etc. There are over 25,000 deaths listed which relate to some kind of heart problem. Other causes deal with general physical weakness, tuberculosis, pleurisy (dealing with lung problems), gastroenteritis, pneumonia, etc. People 50 and under account for 59,000 deaths . Those 40 and under account for more than 44,000 deaths. [37] While all of these deaths would have been possible for people with typhus who were not treated, it is simply not possible for people of the ages listed to have died from the stated causes. Young people, with rare exceptions, do not die of heart failure. In some cases children were said to have died from "decrepitude", an affliction of the aged. [38]

How then can the death certificates be explained if the stated causes do not conform to physical reality? The only explanation is that the camp authorities were engaged in a massive killing campaign of registered prisoners. Part of this has to do with typhus. Wieslaw Kielar, a Polish prisoner, was one of those charged with making up the death certificates. He writes that the method for getting rid of sick prisoners was to kill them. His memoirs were written in 1972, seventeen years before the discovery of the death books. He describes the falsification of the death certificates:

My work consisted of writing out death certificates. The description of the illness for which the prisoner had died also applied to those who had been murdered in the camp. Shot, killed by injection, gas chamber. Each one had to have his case history - a fictitious one, of course. That was what the camp authorities demanded, and that was what I was ordered to do. I must admit that, to begin with, I wrote "heart failure" in the case of prisoners who I knew had been shot. Later, though, I decided that there had been too many of these heart failures... In the case of a man who had been shot, for instance, I wrote diarrhea... In brief it was nothing but a barefaced falsification of the death records, an obliteration of all traces of mass murder that had been committed on defenseless prisoners.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/

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Scott, I've tried to read through some of the stuff you've posted, but I still cannot find anything about millions of Jews being gassed at Auschwitz.
"In 1989, the Auschwitz Archives in Moscow were opened for the first time since the Soviets liberated the camp in January 1945...Among the items discovered were the Auschwitz Death Books. These books contain the death certificates of registered prisoners only. Nonregistered prisoners who were killed upon arrival did not receive a death certificate. The death books are incomplete. They contain the certificates of 68,864 registered prisoners who died from August 1941 to December 1943.There are no books for 1944 or periods prior to August 1941...However, each book contains between 1400 and 1500 entries. [29] By interpolating 1500 entries into each missing death book we can arrive at approximately 80,000 deaths of registered prisoners for 1942 and 1943..."

The above is interesting, because according to the manager of the Auschwitz tourist facility, the onsite gas chamber was converted into an air raid shelter in 1943.
Also the mass internment of Jews into labour camps didn't really start until 1941.
If there was more than 1 gas oven at Auschwitz, why was it necessary for the Russians to convert an air raid shelter back into a gas oven.
Unless of course they were trying to perpetrate a myth, to cover up their own atrocities.

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

"Free speech is free speech."
Tell that to the race relations conciliator.
Even extreme liberalism has its limits, while stupidity unfortunately has none.

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'The Anne Frank legend is full of holes,she apparantly died of typhoid not zyklone B gas.'

No one has suggested Anne Frank died in a gas chamber. It is well known that she died of typhus. Usually the publisher's blurb on the copies of her diary clearly say she died of typhus.

Anti-Semites ridiculously claim that her whole account of being forced into hiding by the Nazis was a fake.

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Good on you Scott for criticising these clowns. It really annoys me when these '9/11 Truth Movement' nutters turn up to our demos about important issues such as the bombing of Gaza and the Oct 15 police raids.

Bystanders at demonstrations might falsely associate us with them :( We need to clearly tell anti-Semites and conspiracy theory nuts to buzz off!

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

Just curious, but who do you guys believe carried out 9/11.
Us "9/11 nutters", think that because we don't believe it was carried out by Muslims, there are more suspect groups than just Jews alone.

Re: Anti-semites don't deserve our community hall

How many Jews are Semites? If one supports the Palestinians does that make one an anti-semite?
I was born before the second world war in Britain and I know my British and European History. So take your nonsense elsewhere. The greatest holocaust of Europe was the Dresden holocaust caused by (I was following orders) Bomber Harris and his American friends.

Jews are a religion, not a race. Israel is involved with Genocide at this very moment. What is needed is an International court of inquiry to settle this Holocaust or Shoah Business so that we can have the truth out on the table about this nasty little regime in the Eastern Med.

Until we get the truth out on the table we will never be free of these people and their incessant trouble making. What is it that these people do that makes them despised in the Nations that host them?

Nation after Nation has expelled them across the centuries and lets not hear this Jew Hater stuff. And one only has to look at some of the more unsavory pieces of the Talmud to get an inkling of why they are so unpopular and then lump that with the actions of the bestial Israeli against the native inhabitants of Palestine.

With a bit of luck that latest piece of evil in Gaza will be sufficient to get some of these monsters in front of an International War Crimes Tribunal for genocide.

The Shoah: Check the population statistics from Jewish Encyclopedia. Have a look at what countries the Jews had settled in.

The total population was just over 9.7 million, nearly half of them in the USA. If we accept the figure of 6 million gassed then the Lord did indeed perform a miracle every single Jewish man woman and child must have given birth three times during 1939 to 1945.

Check the European nations census figures at the wars end and then check the Jewish immigration into Palestine. The Israeli's are coming undone.
Ever heard of Ilam Pappe the Jewish historian?
He had to leave Israel in a hurry for telling the truth about the occupation of Palestine, because his facts revealed the Israeli lies.

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And Scott the Ann Frank Diaries are a proven forgery. Biro was not even invented when that forgery was written in Biro.

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Biro, slang for the Ballpoint pen was patented in 1888. Now I'm no history expert but I'm pretty sure that was a little before WWII

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Commenters like the previous one show why it is so important to kick anti-semites and neo-Nazis out of the anti-war and pro-Palestine movements. These people are not really interested in helping the Palestinians, the Iraqis, or anyone else - they only want to have a go at Jews. And their anti-semitism plays into the hands of the defenders of the Israeli government, because they provide ammunition for the claim that critics of Israel are motivated by anti-Semitism.

The anti-semites also drag the rest of us through the mud by trying to associate all critics of Israel with their views. The last commenter tries to associate the historian Ilan Pappe with Holocaust denial, when in fact Pappe has never questioned the Holocaust. Pappe has come under fire from right-wing Israelis because he criticises the Israeli government's treatment of the Palestinians, not because he doubts the Holocaust.

The last commenter also tries to suggest that the worldwide protests against the attack on Gaza were also expressions of doubt about the Holocaust, when this is patently not the case. The only people who cast doubt on the reality of the Holocaust are people who want to rehabilitate the Nazi regime. The last conference of the Institute for Historical Research, the main Holocaust denial organisation in the US, drew a pathetic 30 attendees.

Anne Frank's diary was not written with a biro. In 1960 a Dutch court found that claims the diary was written after the war were false. In 1986 forensic tests proved conclusively the age of the diary. The man who arrested the Frank family has come forward and admitted the operation. Yet the Holocaust deniers continue with their canards about a hoax. They are beyond the reach of rational arguments. That's why we need to make sure they don't poison the ranks of the left, and protest when they try to spout their nonsense. Uncensored's attempt to hold a symposium provides a fine opportunity to expose them.

Scott

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Being an anti-Zionist doesnt make you an anti-semite
it doesn't take any intelligence to see that,
so i assume you have none
gb/2 israel

Hiding Behind Semantics

your talking semantics pal,
while your mired in your hypocritical hell,
you keep demanding freedom of speech,
as long as it's politically correct and meek,

you and your friends are the same old sheep that keep believing it simply because "mum and dad" or "my history teacher" told me. you can't rationally get on your soap box and talk about the evils of israel within a world context while simultaneously condemning anti-semitism.

However i'm convinced that you are so immersed in confusion over what you don't believe, and what your friends, indymedia and your latest idols believe, that pointing out your faults has little worth. nevertheless, there we are.

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I love the way the Holocaust deniers begin their interventions in this thread by huffing and puffing about how they're not anti-semitic, how one can be opposed to Zionism without being anti-Jew...and then slide inexorably into anti-semitic cursing.

Here are two new statements, which were clearly made by the same person, and which are separated by only a couple of sentences:

'Being an anti-Zionist doesnt make you an anti-semite'

'you can't rationally get on your soap box and talk about the evils of israel within a world context while simultaneously condemning anti-semitism.'

You folks just can't help it, can you? You slip up every time - it's as though you're constantly succumbing to an addiction.

And then there's the hilarious phrase 'go back 2 israel', which some bright spark has now used twice in this thread, immediately after making anti-semitic comments. It reminds me of a classic piece of graffitti I saw on a desk back at high school, which read 'ET went home, so why can't the Maoris?' Hmm...

Then again, I've always been struck by how the same people who talk of the superiority of the white race, and the need to protect this race from lesser breeds, always tend to be the most wilfully, obnoxiously specimens of the human species (try to read Mein Kampf or check out Romper Stomper if you don't believe me). I guess the Holocaust deniers and Jew-baiters in this thread are just conforming to type.

Scott

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for your information the 2 statements were not made by the same person. but if it helps to digest this through what your precious yet all too primitive stereotypes (anti-semite = nazi) then good on you. just try to think outside your square a little more :)

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To the mods of indy: There is some repulsive anti-semitism in this thread, can you please delete it. Why would indymedia host holocaust denial, let alone the appalling comment that begins: "How many Jews are semites."

Oh and to the various anonymouses:
"Being an anti-Zionist doesnt make you an anti-semite"

No it's the fact that you're an anti-semite that makes you an anti-semite.

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I couldn't agree more.

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Just did a count, by my working at this stage, this thread contains:

31 posts that are fine according to the editorial policy

11 posts that should be hidden for antisemitism according to the editorial policy

5 posts (including 2 antisemitic ones, not included in the above count) that should be hidden for being double posts.

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Freedom is relative - the Nazis started as Doutre and others who want to use the Hall - Scott is right - in my view these bastards don't deserve any freedom of speech - freedom of speech is for relatively intelligent informed people - humans - not everyone. Not Nazis who also try to prove that Maori are inferior or deny the Holocaust that obviously took place.

The occurence of the Holocaust has no connection to Zionism - an intelligent critcism of Israel's foreign actions (or they might say self defence) has nothing to do with whether the Holocaust took place - it did. I am critical of aspects of Zionism and actions by Israel (not the Israeli people or the existence of Israel) - I do not hate Jews at all.

These Nazis want to hold their rally on ANZAC day which commemorates the sacrifice of many brave New Zealanders for freedom. The RSA - members of whom beat up the Nazi King Ansel when he gave the Nazi salute - would not be pleased to hear of that fact.

Scott is right - and there is no question the Holocaust didn't take place.

These people need to be totally suppressed - they are full of racism, hate, ignorance of history (or the distort it) - it is how the Nazis started out by such meetings - then slowly they gained power (people gave them "freedom of speech" while they were murdering those who opposed, or might oppose, them) ...and the result - a terrible , destructive, fatal war, and the obscenity of the Holocaust. These people are evil, sick, and dangerous.

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why does the jew filth have the need to make EVERYONE have guilt over their precious precious holocaust? Germans a long time ago did it but even today we all need to be ashamed??? WHY?
better yet, why did this Hitler guy do what he did?

did he not subscribe to the same notion of jew superiority? cuz I sure don't either.

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romper stomper??? get a life mr hamilton - and do some serious research while you're at it - i mean actually talking to people not simply reading your "mountains" of information. you're as gullible as the rest of these sheep on here - if someone you vaguely respect tells you something it must be true. get off your pc horsey and start thinking for a change.

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A survey of school kids that came out recently in England found that most had no idea what Auschwitz was or thought it was a kind of alcoholic drink. (N.B. Don't have a link but it was on the yahoo front page last week). That kind of ignorance is surely reason enough to keep reminding people of what happened.

While we have no reason to feel personally responsible or guilty for events of that time, we should do what we can to inform ourselves of what happened in order to avoid it happening again. In that sense we have a responsibilty to the future.The only people who have a problem with that are those who want it to happen again or (to be very charitable) are bloody lazy.

Legitimate historians argue and investigate the specifics of how, where and why the victims of the holocaust were killed and change their views over time about the specifics. They do NOT disagree that the holocaust actually took place. The deniers know damn well it happened but are not approaching the topic from the same place as real historians. Theyre doing it on ideological grounds that have nothing to do with facts. Its a waste of time debating with them because there is no debate on the terms they suggest.

Given the need to inform younger and future generations and the pointlessness of arguing with willingly closed minded bigots, those of us who care about the truth should put the correct information out there without wasting time debating with fascists who get off on spouting their crap. That seems the best balance as a rule.

Anyway, well done Scott!

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There was no holocaust. the Jews are a bunch of whinging, self-obsessed, pedantic people mired in the past. let's move on - not just the jews but the maori, the aboriginal etc. Stuck in the past will leave you with no future.

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Forgetting the past or denying it will mean a return to the past. Like I said, the only people who want that are either bloody lazy or fascist sympathisers who want it to happen again.

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Uncnesored's anti-semitism is not new. Take a look at this 2005 post on their site:
'Don't Mention the J Word'
http://uncensored.co.nz/2005/08/28/don%e2%80%99t-mention-the-word-j/

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Yeah it is nothing new, I remember buying a couple of copies around that time as I find the whole conspiracy theory field quite amusing. The whole anti-semetic, anti-Maori and the fact that Steve Crow was using it at that time to peddle his porn empire certainly made it an easy decision not to buy it again

Excusing Shame-faced "Obligations"

Now many in the West excuse this craven obeisance [i.e. this obligation to be shame-faced about Jewish history] by putting it down to some kind of collective guilt about the ‘Holocaust’, oh that such guilt should extend to my Roma brethren, who were also exterminated in their millions and to this day, remain the ‘niggers’ of Europe, excluded, ghettoized and victimised. Where are the endless stream of documentaries and rending of garments concerning our treatment of the Roma people? Where are the daily news stories about the continued treatment of the Roma right across Europe, let alone what the Nazis did to them sixty years ago?

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Scott, take a look at the latest issue of Presto magazine (a CHCH alternative culture magazine – possibly in your local library).

In it an unnamed author (unusual for this magazine) quotes approvingly from the “Protocols of The Elders Of Zion”, an infamous anti-Jewish publication.

Here is the Quote:

“Economic crisis have been produced by us for the goyim by no other means than the withdrawal of money from circulation.”

For those who don’t know, the ”us” referred to in the quote are “the Jews”- the protocols were lyingly written as though the author was a Jewish conspirator. But in fact they were written by a late 19th century anti-Semite.

The “goyim” referred to are the “non-Jews”.

The purpose of “The Protocols” was to provide evidence for the claim that there was a Jewish banking conspiracy to dominate the world. (In the absence of actual evidence of conspiracy, the idea of the author of “the Protocols” seems to have been to make some up.) This “Jewish conspiracy” was of course one of Hitler’s main ideas, and he also quoted approvingly from ”the Protocols” in his writings.

The alleged “ Jewish conspiracy” was as we know, the basis for the Nazis persecution of the European Jews (and incidentally also for the Nazi persecution of the union and political left who were held to be in league with the conspiracy).

It is beyond belief that the editor of Presto would reprint quotes from ”the Protocols (and this one in particular) without being aware of who the “us” and the “goyim” referred to are .
It is also beyond belief that whoever read all the away through to section 20 of “the Protocols” to get to the chosen quote would be unaware of the anti-Semitic authorship and intent of the original Protocols, or the anti-Jewish use to which they have been applied in the last two centuries by pogromists, fascists and Nazis..

Presto Magazine purports to be an journal of alternative arts and culture.
Film and music reviews, art and restaurant guides, soft political commentary and advertorial all share space with contributions from local community organisations and politicians;
A nice read over your café-late and friänd – Presto is distributed free to inner-city cafes.

Presto Magazine has two resident conspiracy theorists who write regular columns.
They are usually content to stick to their interest areas of health and corporate culture, respectively.

However my own experience of conspiracy theorists is that if they are happy to have a conspiracy to explain one aspect of their reality, they are more than happy to accept any number of other conspiracies to explain the rest.

The target audience of Presto magazine appears to be educated, middle class, lifestyle types with a bit of cash to spend on their entertainments.
People who might once have voted for Old Labour but now go for the Greens or the Alliance (Yes, it still exists down here), or send their kids to a kura. People who wouldn’t countenance the idea of being seen as racist. Yet Presto magazine, for a long time heading down the path of conspiracy has now arrived at anti-Semitism.

In the absence of a strong and politically conscious labour movement the rise of conspiracy theories, and other irrational explanations for the crisis of capitalism will be inevitable.

The Labour party, having wholly accepted the rule of the free market have removed themselves from the field of critical thinking and offer no direction to people faced with the collapse of the banking system, the collapse of public social services and end to the prospect of secure employment.

The Greens, content to be second fiddle to Helen Clarke’s defeated Labour government simultaneously shot themselves in the electoral foot, and exposed their basic acceptance of the market and therefore their inability to lead opposition to the looming crisis.
They too offer no world view apart from a slightly more benign rule of the free-market.

But in the market place of ideas they are bereft.

Progressive political thinkers have no interest in defending the unpleasant capitalist reality that is suddenly collapsing around us. But neither do we have anything to gain by clinging to irrational superstitions, racist conspiracies, or any other imaginary explanations for what we see around us.

People who cling to these false explanations of reality, for reasons only known to themselves, who make money in publishing them, or whose economic self-interest prevents them from honestly naming the spectre that is about to engulf us all will not be the ones whose ideas will actually explain, and whose actions bring an end to the cataclysm of our age.

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@Verity.

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However my own experience of conspiracy theorists is that if they are happy to have a conspiracy to explain one aspect of their reality, they are more than happy to accept any number of other conspiracies to explain the rest.<i/>

I think we are fortunate to have such a medium within which to conduct our own research into what is actually a conspiracy. And when people start telling me or attempting to browbeat and bully people,then the more I go looking for truth.

One knows the rubbish, Jew Hater,anti-Semite, Nazi, retard and so on. These are just intimidation tactics which so far have been enormously successful in terms of the intimidation achieved.

The last two hundred years of European History is two hundred years worth of Conspiracies. Two World Wars sold on lies and backroom conspiracies with large amounts of ill gotten money changing hands.

The Iraqi invasion and subsequent slaughter sold on lies. Afghanistan sold on lies. The threats of nuclear war against Iran are being sold with lies.

This current collapse of predatory capitalism was all caused by lies and fraud. If we are not allowed to call this a conspiracy of the ubermensch of every nation, then what are we to call it?

We have seen the awful bestial horror that was inflicted on Gaza. This is not the act of a rational entity. We have seen, be sure we have seen.

Check out the Census Figures from an earlier Jewish Encyclopedia. Check the European census figures. Check the numbers of Jewish Immigrants to many Nations at the end of the war. Then check the immigration figures Palestine. I am sure it will leave a lot of people who do not believe in Conspiracy with slack and hanging jaws.

Ilam Pappe was not used in a previous post re Holocaust Denial. Who would risk 5 years in jail for such a stupid thing as to try to prevent people from speaking out. Ilam Pappe simply illustrated another great and glaring lie by the Zionist Authorities.

These are not the acts of rational people in Palestine they belong in a far more sinister category. Gilad Atzmon has put it very well.

http://bit.ly/kSqhX

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From their inception, the Nazis had the Jews as their enemy number one and this just escalated during the Holocaust itself. Its only natural that the main focus of historiographical emphasis has been upon the Jewish experience. No historian has denied that other groups were victims and people like Ian Hancock are well respected by other academics. So Roma havent exactly been ignored.

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Read your history and check the census figures out they do not add up against Jewish Claims. there is also a lot of embarrassing scientific evidence involved as well which contradicts the claims not to mention the logistics involved.

But if you are lining up for 5 years in prison then be warned. The scientifc and forensic evidence is not allowed. The charge is Holocaust Denial.

The intimidation is clearly seen for what it is.

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Hi Verity,

thanks very much for that valuable comment, which deserves to be an indymedia article on its own. I am becoming amazed by the number of apparently liberal people who are succumbing to anti-semitic conspiracy theories - usually by way of other, less harmful conspiracy theories, like the ones that you mention as preoccupations of two regular contributors of Presto.

I just got an email from a woman who's apparently involved in greenie/organic farming projects in the deep south and is an anti-flouridation campaigner. She's scheduled to appear at the Uncensored conference, and I thought I'd convey to her the anger that the Holocaust denial and Maori-bashing in the last two issues of the journal are causing, and suggest to her that being associated with people who think Hitler was a nice chap isn't a good look.

The response was a series of paranoid insults and an affirmation of Eisen's ravings! I had a similar response from somebody else associated with the upcoming conference - they suggested that people like me are 'disinformation agents' for the New World Order!

I think there definitely should be people taking Presto to task in Christchurch, if only so that readers who are wavering between believing conspiracy theories and taking a saner route are made aware of the repugant of origins of rhetoric about 'Zionist cabals' and the like.

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Below is the program for the Uncensored symposium, I think all these accusations of people being Neo Nazis, &amp; anti Semetic has been a bit of a silly storm in a tea cup.
I can't see anything in the program about the holocaust, if people like John Eisen want to back something like this I say good on them.
I won't be going because it all look's a bit boring, I think Scott should just stick to being a Poetry buff, be it a paranoid one.

Featured Speakers:

• Lloyd Pye
“The Starchild Skull: Proof at Last of Human-Alien Hybrid?

• Martin Doutre
“Pre-Maori Civilisations in Ancient New Zealand”

• Jonathan Gray
“The True Story of the Discovery of Noah’s Ark”

• Evan Sadler
“Christianity, Satanism and the New World Order”

• Nicola Grace
“Can We Keep Our Health Freedom in New Zealand?”

• David Holden
“The Scientific Basis for Naturopathic Therapies”

• Olive McCrae
“The Long and Short of the Fluoride Conspiracy”

• MOVIE
“The Secrets and Suppression of Free Energy Technologies

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Scot.

answer the questions, but you find it difficult eh?

Go to the article by Gilad Atzmon, himself a Jew and you think what was done in Gaza was OK? The land belongs to Palestinians, not the baby killers with the nuclear weapons.

what ever you do please do not forget to check the Jewish population census figures before and after the second world war.

None of the figures add up against these Zionist claims which are being used against us all. Everywhere in Britain,Europe and North America these Golems are pushing for restrictions on peoples right to castigate these monsters.

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Scott and Verity,

obviously not all Israeli's took part in the genocidal massacre. But someone gave the order, and someone pulled the trigger just like they pulled the trigger in Lebanon.

They Jews in Palestine believe in collective punishment, they must do, because that is what they do to the Palestinians. People that have rifles and a collection of tin pot fire works that the Israelis call rockets, one can count on one hand how many Jews died from this. Is it Zippo or 7 or 8?

So in return the Palestinians the owners of the land are attacked from land sea and air by a monster with the very latest American weapons.They are supposedly one of the most powerful armies in the world and even now after the Gaza slaughter they want to go after Iran under a protective Yankee umbrella.

Forsooth Yoricks! methinks they are totally insane
Like I said some War Criminal gave the orders.

Why are you dragging the Maori into this? Oh of course by deception we shall wage war. Thats how it was done in Iraq, set them at each others throats. Go take your nasty little games elsewhere.

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I can't keep up with all the idiotic comments Kyle Chapman, Jonathan Eisen and their chums are making here, but let me point out once again that it was Uncensored which 'dragged Maori into this', by publishing and promoting Martin Doutre, creator of the Celtic NZ thesis, which holds that Maori were too dumb to create things like hei tiki and whare whakairo, let alone navigate the seas between Eastern Polynesian and Aotearoa.

According to Doutre and his sidekick Kerry Bolton, who just happens to be New Zealand's longest-serving neo-Nazi, white people are the tangata whenua of this country. I challenged Doutre a few months ago on the Scoop Review of Books, and in the ensuing debate he imploded, and admitted to being a fan of David Irving, a Holocaust denier, and a mate of Bolton's:
http://books.scoop.co.nz/2008/11/18/no-to-nazi-pseudo-history-an-open-le...

Mathew Dentith, the University of Auckland expert on conspiracy theory who has been involved in the challenge to the anti-semites' use of Mt Albert War Memorial Hall, has discussed the rancid article Doutre wrote for the December-March issue of Uncensored on his excellent blog:
http://all-embracing.episto.org/2009/02/24/doutre-the-uncensored-review/

Jews, the RSA, Maori...the folks at Uncensored sure know how to make enemies.

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"I can't keep up with all the idiotic comments Kyle Chapman, Jonathan Eisen and their chums are making here"
Of course you can't. It's inherent in conspiracy theory that it is immune to logic or rationale. It is therefore pointless to even try to engage in a discussion. But thanks for putting this up anyway, it's been very revealing.

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Scott you should just stick to being a Poetry buff, all be it a paranoid one
This is all becoming a silly storm in a tea cup with all these insults of people being Neo Nazis &amp; anti Semitic, check out the program below for the symposium, nothing there about the holocaust.
It actually look's quite boring.THE 2009

UNCENSORED SYMPOSIUM

Featured Speakers:

• Lloyd Pye
“The Starchild Skull: Proof at Last of Human-Alien Hybrid?

• Martin Doutre
“Pre-Maori Civilisations in Ancient New Zealand”

• Jonathan Gray
“The True Story of the Discovery of Noah’s Ark”

• Evan Sadler
“Christianity, Satanism and the New World Order”

• Nicola Grace
“Can We Keep Our Health Freedom in New Zealand?”

• David Holden
“The Scientific Basis for Naturopathic Therapies”

• Olive McCrae
“The Long and Short of the Fluoride Conspiracy”

• MOVIE
“The Secrets and Suppression of Free Energy Technologies”

• UNCENSORED Editor Jonathan Eisen will host the Symposium.

WHEN: Sunday April 26 2009 – 10AM to 8PM

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yeah right nothing about the holocaust, but follow the last link and one of the keynote speakers has this to say -

'As for David Irving, it was generally accepted worldwide that he was the most astute, prolific, all-round scholar and historian on the subject of WWII, at least up until May, 1988, when he made a very bad career choice. At that time he was called upon to give expert testimony, under oath, in a court case and stated that he could find no documented evidence of “Hitler’s Final Solution”. For this unforgivable admission, he fell foul of the Zionists who, thereafter, focused their hatred on him and have been unrelenting in trying to destroy his credibility ever since.'

= martin doutre

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I just love untrained imbeciles who try and charge people with a higher education of promoting 'disinformation'. Such self proclaimed 'experts' such a Doutre wouldn't know what evidence was if it smacked them in the face. Further, if there was no consensus in 'the mainstream' due to factual research, and we all instead entertained the ramblings of the racist and insane, knowledge as we know it wouldn't exist as everyone would have a different 'interpretation' of the truth. These people are deliberately misleading the public by trying to dress up pseudo-history and pseudo-science as ligitimate. Their meagre and superstitious minds would be forgivable at the age of 3, but as adults I think they are of the most disgusting intellectual inclination.

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Anon / Yorick says: “They Jews in Palestine believe in collective punishment, they must do, because that is what they do to the Palestinians”.

This statement is a non-sequiter and wilfully confuses the aggression of the Israeli state with the will of the population. This is therefore a dishonest argument.

Do all NZ’rs agree with the dismantling of ACC because that is what is the NZ government is doing? Pleeeeze.

The statement is also contradictory : on the one hand decrying collective punishment of Palestinians, but on the other applying the logic of collective responsibility to the “(all) Jews” in blaming them for the actions of a government.

Are all NZ’rs responsible for the dismantling of ACC because that’s what “their” elected government is doing…equally ludicrous.

As we know there is a vocal and activist minority in Israel that calls for the end to the brutalisation and ghettoisation of the Palestinians. There is also growing organised opposition to military conscription and participation in the Israeli states military adventures in the region, and to Israel’s nuclear ambitions.

If Anon / Yorick was truly concerned with the plight of the Palestinians then you would think that (s)he would be interested in making links with ALL opponents of the Israeli state aggression, and in NOT making generalisations that are illogical, untrue and therefore unnecessarily polarising.

On the other hand, if the plight of the Palestinians is just a convenient opportunity for Anon / Yorick to excersise their anti-Jewish prejudices then they should at least own up to that.

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“They (sic) Jews in Palestine believe in collective punishment, they must do, because that is what they do to the Palestinians”.

Bollocks.

Just as the entire German population was not responsible for Hitler (in the Geman presidential elections of 1932 a majority of voters (69.9%) voted against Hitler), just as the entire population of Germany was not responsible for the holocaust (of the 11 million who died in Nazi camps 5 million were not Jews, but activists, communists, unionists, non-conformists, disabled, and other minorities), so the entire population of Israel cannot be held responsible for the Israeli state sponsored atrocities in Lebanon, West Bank and Gaza.

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From some of the postings here, it's been established that millions of Jews were NOT gassed at Auschwitz, but still people persist with the 6 million myth.
6 million enables you to get the sympathy to gain control of a country, where as a number less than a million is merely collateral damage.

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@ Bollocks. Well we can certainly see who has been voted into power, and the new govt pronouncements and the results so far. They are a nasty little illegal nuclear power.

I am quite aware of the resistance to this behavior by a small number of courageous Israeli,s to this monstrosity of a baby killing land stealing regime. Did you see the videos all over the net at the heroic IDF running a bulldozer over the Canadian Christian Rachel Corrie. She died of course bulldozers are heavy.A nation that was founded on terrorism and I am old enough to remember the terrorist bombing of the King David Hotel and I also remember the hanging .. what does the bible say? Is it by their fruits ye shall know them.

@ Verity. Read what a Jew has to say about the deck chairs and the picnics on the heights overlooking Gaza and what he estimates the problem is. Here is a short cut and paste from his illuminating article. Oh I forgot Gilad is a self hating Jew.
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Jewish history by Gilad Atzmon.

The issue I am going to discuss today is probably the most important thing I’ve ever had to say about Israeli brutality and contemporary Jewish identity. I assume that I could have shaped my thought into a wide-ranging book or an analytical academic text but instead, I will do the very opposite, I will make it as short and as simple as possible.

In the weeks that have just passed we had been witness to an Israeli genocidal campaign against the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza. We had been witnessing one of the strongest armies in the world squashing women, elderly people and children. We saw blizzards of unconventional weapons bursting over schools, hospitals and refugee camps. We had seen and heard about war crimes committed before, but this time, the Israeli transgression was categorically different. It was supported by the total absolute majority of the Israeli Jewish population. The IDF military campaign in Gaza enjoyed the support of 94% of the Israeli population. 94% of the Israelis apparently approved of the air raids against civilians. The Israeli people saw the carnage on their TV screens, they heard the voices, they saw hospitals and refugee camps in flames and yet, they weren’t really moved by it all. They didn’t do much to stop their “democratically elected” ruthless leaders. Instead, some of them grabbed a seat and settled on the hills overlooking the Gaza Strip to watch their army turning Gaza into modern Hebraic coliseum of blood. Even now when the campaign seems to be over and the scale of the carnage in Gaza has been revealed, the Israelis fail to show any signs of remorse. As if this is not enough, all throughout the war, Jews around the world rallied in support of their “Jews-only state”. Such a popular support of outright war crimes is unheard of. Terrorist states do kill, yet they are slightly shy about it all. Stalin’s USSR did it in some remote Gulags, Nazi Germany executed its victims in deep forests and behind barbed wire. In the Jewish state, the Israelis slaughter defenceless women, children and the old in broad daylight, using unconventional weapons targeting schools, hospitals and refugee camps.

http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/03/18/gilad-atzmon-%E2%80%93-war-on-t...

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Jon Eisen is Jewish you retard.

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Why do some people who oppose the existence of Israel and its genocidal attacks on Palestinians feel the need to deny the holocaust?

It must be that they think that if the holocaust happened then that would justify the existence of Israel in Palestine. It is true that this is popularly held to be the main justification for the existence of Israel. But this is a misreading of Zionism which argues for the right of Israel to exist on the basis of the Bible, not the holocaust. The holocaust (and the history of pogroms) is a reason used to argue that Jews need their own state, but not that it has to be in Israel.

Denying the holocaust happened then is an open attack on Jews not Zionists. It is also a defence of Nazism against the charge of genocide against Jews.

But the holocaust did happen, and it does not justify the existence of Israel in Palestine. Neither does the bible.

Nothing justifies the establishment of a settler state on the land of another nation in formation (still ruled by Britain as a mandate of the League of Nations) and its occupation and ethnic cleansing by means of terrorist attacks.

The Jews in Europe were victimised by the Nazis and the figure of those dead and disappeared is in the region of 6 million. The Jews who became Zionists and occupied Palestine are victimising the Palestinians using similar methods to the Nazis. The death and disappeared count since the 1930s would be in the millions also.

A strong case can be made that Zionism as a type of fascism or semi-fascism. But to make that case, it is not necessary to deny the holocaust.

Fascism is an extreme reactionary rule on the part of the national bourgeoisie that responds to the threat of socialist revolution, by uniting the nation on the basis of myths of racial superiority, and inferiority, to justify repression and physical extermination of other races or stigmatised minorities: criminals, Roma, homosexuals, communists etc.

Therefore, under fascism it is the ruling class that imposes a fascist regime, not with the complicity of, but against, the working class organisations that pose a threat to its existence.

The Nazis were fearful that the German workers would rise up and make a socialist revolution. They made agreements with the Zionists to release a number of Jewish workers to be shipped to Palestine. Jewish workers were overrepresented in the communist and socialist organisations. By agreeing with the Nazis that Jews could not be assimilated in Europe the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to smash the labour movement.

In Israel, the Zionists used semi-fascist methods to impose their reactionary rule on the Palestinian workers who rose up in 1936 in a six month general strike, and in the years up to 1939, when there was a continuous uprising of the Palestinian people against the Zionist settler state in formation.

Zionism then, is a form of fascism made necessary by the need of a settler state to defend its existence on stolen Palestinian land facing the continuous resistance of the Palestinian people and therefore the threat of a Palestinian national or socialist revolution.

Zionism was not the victim of an undeniable Nazi holocaust visited on Jews in Europe, it was a collaborator with the Nazi movement in the division along racist lines of the workers movement, weakening its resistance to fascism, and then adopting the same methods to be used in Israel against the Palestinians.

As for Israelis who oppose the occupation of Palestine. They can prove their opposition only by renouncing the right of Israel to exist as a nation on Palestinian land (and the Zionist arguments for it), and fighting alongside the Palestinians for a united socialist Palestine in which all nationalities and races have equal rights.

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I don't think anyone is denying that the holocaust took place, if the holocaust is the word used to describe the Nazis persecution of the Jews before &amp; during WW2, with their eventual internment into slave labour camps.
What some of us are arguing over is the 6 million figure, some people will say what's the point of debating the number, others will say why shouldn't people be entitled to argue against a gross exaggeration.
The lion's share of the 6 million has always been the few million gassed at Auschwitz, &amp; it is now obvious that this has been some form of hoax, which begs the question of what else have we been lied to about.
It's time to research the atrocities carried out by Stalin &amp; the Soviets, who were committing mass murder way before the Nazis started their holocaust, yet Britain &amp; the US decided to side with the Russians against Germany, when Germany moved into Poland (to incorporate the german speaking part of Poland into a Greater teutonic state) the Nazis were heading Eastwards away from Britain, &amp; at the same time the Russians were moving across into Poland's Eastern borders.
50+ million people were killed during WW2, just so Eastern Europe could fall into the hands of Stalin &amp; not Hitler.

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@ Dave Brown:

I well remember those black and white photographs of Belsen with the Sappers bulldozing together great piles of dead matchstick people and the papers stated quite clearly that these war flotsam had died of starvation and typhus which always made its macabre visits with malnutrition. It did not say anything about them all being Jews.

The stories and pictures were arriving daily from Germany and V.E. Day had come and gone and the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal was being set up. The same sort of pictures from the forced labor camps under German control were our daily fare.

Bomber Harris and his American Friends had been carpet bombing German Communications and Civilian centres over most of Germany. Note how they always missed the chemical works and the other snatched trophies of war and to hell with human life. Germany was being slowly paralysed. Not even able to feed their people let alone those whose Labour they coerced because manpower was at a great premium as witnessed by 16 year old youths filling the ranks of the German Dead.

My mother was a Saxon so I went looking for some truth instead of the lies. Its all there. The truth is still there if one has any interest in finding it instead of parroting what has become a grotesque wailing and gnashing of teeth and woe is me and the sackcloth is the latest fashion and the flung ashes fair blinding the eyes.

Its a bitter pill to swallow to serve ones Queen and Country only to find out it was all based on lies. Was a it Kipling who said: 'A bill of sale in a rich mans game', because that's what it feels like.

We have been reduced to the dark ages once again. You Zionists are losing because the evil has now reached its high point of manifestation, and very soon this fungus will start to rot like those strange looking fungus that one finds growing in forest. Read the post by Gilad Atzmon again.

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The worst anti-Semites the world has ever known is the Israelis. how many Palestinians killed since the 1930,s ? How many Palestine refugees and displaced persons have the Israelis been responsible for?

Gilad Atzmon is right on target.

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"The lion's share of the 6 million has always been the few million gassed at Auschwitz, &amp; it is now obvious that this has been some form of hoax, which begs the question of what else have we been lied to about."

That figure is fairly close to the truth. There has been nothing published in a peer-reviewed historic journal that has challenged it.

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for all the name calling one things remains cold hard Fact. on "9/11", 2 airplanes knocked down 3 buildings and that is totally impossible.

WTC 1 &amp; 2, &amp; a block away #7. no way.

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They weren't knocked down; they burned down, idiot.

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Asher firstly I am not an anarchist,are you trying to say that people at Auschwitz were not gassed or shot, but herded straight into the crematorium's ovens, could you please provide a source for this, it shouldn't be difficult if you have had family killed by this method.

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"Peer review", as in a bunch of gutless historians to scared to speak out in case it effects their pay check.

Even David Irvine was a respected "Peer review" historian, until he came across recently available archived Russian material, that led him to doubt the scale of the halohoax.

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David Irving never gained so much as a bachelor's degree in history. He has never been a historian. He is an author who writes about history, and from a rather pro-Nazi perspective for which he has been repeatedly criticised.

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Who's the idiot? David Irvong was never involved in peer review; he has never been an academic. He has no degree of any kind. Peer review involves historians of all stripes, from Marxist to conservative - but you have to be a hisorian. Neo-Nazi blockheads don't take part.

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"on "9/11", 2 airplanes knocked down 3 buildings and that is totally impossible.

WTC 1 &amp; 2, &amp; a block away #7. no way."

On 9/11 TV/video fakery was used to convince people that impossible physics occured.
Put simply planes do not disappear inside buildings, catch fire and melt structural steel, plus it takes well in excess of 10 seconds for a 100+ story building to collapse.
When a plane hits a tall building it will crash &amp; fall to the ground, prior &amp; after 9/11 no concrete &amp; steel buildings have collapsed as a result of fire, let alone in 10 seconds.

Here is a short video illustrating how easy it is to fake the footage we were all brainwashed with when the 2nd plane struck WTC2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXmgF2yAEc

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"on "9/11", 2 airplanes knocked down 3 buildings and that is totally impossible.

WTC 1 &amp; 2, &amp; a block away #7. no way."

On 9/11 TV/video fakery was used to convince people that impossible physics occured.
Put simply planes do not disappear inside buildings, catch fire and melt structural steel, plus it takes well in excess of 10 seconds for a 100+ story building to collapse.
When a plane hits a tall building it will crash &amp; fall to the ground, prior &amp; after 9/11 no concrete &amp; steel buildings have collapsed as a result of fire, let alone in 10 seconds.

Here is a short video illustrating how easy it is to fake the footage we were all brainwashed with when the 2nd plane struck WTC2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXmgF2yAEc

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This thread is riddled by Zionist plants.
All taking Rothschild money.

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I'm still waiting for my share of the Z.O.G. loot... but then I'm just an ordinary person of Jewish descent. Zionism is nationalist racism. David Irving lies for a living. Irving holds no Historical qualification yet some people use him as justification for their own irrational and unintellectual hatred. When 'freedom of speech' results in book burnings and the denial of other people's rights and freedoms, it has gone too far. Last year I was privileged to visit Berlin's Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe... There it was plainly stated that the victims of the Holocaust were ordinary people who were murdered by the Nazis. Good on you Scott for starting this thread.

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The tactics used in this thread are called collectively 'Cognitive Dissonance'.

Blog boards like this throughout the western world all have them, groups that can be called upon to flood a thread and cause confusion and add irrelevancies to the matter which is being debated.

This is deliberate and done to ensure that the official line of reality holds sway. We may all see the real reality in Palestine. Yet the MSM turns a Nelsons blind eye to a great crime against humanity. Who are the owners of this media?

Obviously there is an element of fraud involved but any attempts to unravel the story from the propaganda and one is exposed to the typical Zionazi shit or blood smear.

They ponce around on these boards pretending to be upholding the rights of every group and the preventing of hate speech. What a dissonance producing head game that is. Someone telling you something is wrong with your reality of cultural nurture. Any views that you may hold in the navigating of your life are totally irrelevant.

When an entity and this by law makes it illegal to deny an event which by ones reality is real enough; Then one feels the steel behind the velvet glove. It is then that one understands the chilling reality of imprisonment and ruined for life.

What sort of reality is that for people? Told what to think by some very strange people! How disgraceful!

If Gilad Atzmon is correct about the alarming figures above the 90% level for approval of what has happened in Gaza. Then we are looking at a controlled and zombie population who inner rage is then directed at the Palestinians.

Israel's Jewish population are of many different ethnic groups. There are not many real Hebrews left if at all, long since having disappeared into countless generations of the people of the land. The settlers come lured by the promise of land, and armed and ruthless in the overall persecution of Palestinians who were unfortunate enough to be close to the Govt given land.

The land has been cut into green zones and fine roads but the other side of the concrete walls and razor wire lies a horror. As a South African Bishop said of his visit to the Palestinians.

This is far worse than we had it, referring to the SA Apartheid regime.

That of course is a very different opinion from someone who has been there and done that, from that of the opinions of the apologists for this type of behavior. How disgraceful!

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On leaving university, David Irving spent 3 years living in Germany, working in labouring type jobs so as to further his understanding of WW2 history.

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By "leaving", Anonymous means "dropping out". David Irving has not actually completed any tertiary studies in any subject.

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'This thread is riddled by Zionist plants.
All taking Rothschild money.'

Hello, Jonathan.

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Yes David Irving went to Germany to learn the language. So what? He isn't any kind of legitimate authority on the history of the holocaust. He has flip flopped on whether the holocaust happened but regardless of his view on that at any given moment, his whole reason for being involved in the issue is to give support to the extreme right-wing and fascists of various kinds. Look at the transcripts of the trial which vindicated Deborah Lipstadts claims about Irvings lack of credibilty.

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anti semitism comes NATURALLY to any normal human learning hwta the jew thinks.

the more I learn the more I want to gas them myself.

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And your main source on "what the Jew thinks" must be "The Poisonous Mushroom", right?

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even the title of this article is proof indymedia is against free speech, typical commies

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Reading the Talmud makes me think jews are made of poisonous mushrooms.

TALMUD!! GENTILE = Nigger. and we thought those jew people were being nice to us!!

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"""They weren't knocked down; they burned down, idiot."""

spoken by a true jew or a complete idiot. concrete &amp; steel don't "burn", &amp; if your skyscraper says made in USA on it, no silly lil airplane is going to "knock it down",, that takes Marvin Bush &amp; the jews rewire job.

so you don't go thru life incredibly stupid, www.911mysteries.com you're welcome, dummy.

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The opposite in fact - allowing any opinion, pro or anti.

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Can someone please explain in their own words, what is a "Neo Nazi".
If wanting a world with out Jews is being a Nazi, then I am not a Neo Nazi.
If not believing that millions of Jews were gassed in German occupied territory durin WW2, is being a Nazi, then I am a "Neo Nazi"

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Perhaps you're merely a gullible simpleton who refuses to look beyond wacky far-right conspiracist publications. There is more than enough documentary and physical evidence to prove its existence.

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"""And your main source on "what the Jew thinks" must be "The Poisonous Mushroom", right?"""

No, a disgusting publication called the Talmud.
anyone believeing that deserves all the nerve gas they get.

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..presenting an ardent advocate of free speech and the right to hold beliefs without interference.

Judging by your mixing up of the Talmud and Torah, you've read neither.

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Here's a classic example of mass media manipulation.
On this Donahue show debating the Holocaust, we have a holocaust survivor in the audience who had actually died 20 years previously.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1299005557554208342&amp;hl=en

"I'm always interested to listen to survivors when they speak of thier experiences.

Donahue: we're joined by Edith Glueck who was taken to Auschwitz at age 17 with your mother and your 3 sisters

Edith Glueck, at the 29:06 mark begins to speak..

Edith says: 4 sisters and one brother

Edith: mother was 39 years old

Edith: ..seperated the young from the old, my sister and myself, he umm *gathers her composure* he directed on one side and my mother and the 3 younger sisters on the other side with the old people.
My mother was still 39 years old and my three younger sisters started crying terribly, that Mangler? seperated them, so Mangler? didn't want to have a big commotion so he directed my mother back to them, so we said with my sister, it is good that my mother went on that side with them because they need her more than we did, we were older.

So, is it just her accent, or is she confused when she corrects Donahue that there were 5 girls and 1 brother?
She goes on to talk about them (39 y/o mother and 3 sisters) going to the big flame and the big chimney that smoke was coming out and how they never saw them again then..

Edith: and afterwards, the people who were there 2 or 3 years before us was telling us 'do you think you are going to see your family again? They are in that smoke already, they are burning.'

Edith: We thought they are there such a long time that they had lost thier minds, we didn't believe them, but they kept telling us..

skip forward to the 35:25 mark..

Edith in answer to a question from an audience member:
I guess we had no choice, what choice did we have. We just went where they told us to go.. probably they they.. I believe that they gave us some kind of sedative.. they did give us some kind of medicine to make us calm.

It's said that Auschwitz was established in 1940. Funny, that would make this Edith fit the bill age-wise.

Social Security Death Index:
EDITH GLUECK Born 07 Nov 1926
Died Mar 1976 11219 (Brooklyn, Kings, NY)"

But that's impossible as this show air in 1994 and the listed Edith would have been long dead."

Hypocrisy Exists only when Noticed... hi Asher and Scott

Just did a count, by my working at this stage, this thread contains:

31 posts that are fine according to the editorial policy

11 posts that should be hidden for antisemitism according to the editorial policy

5 posts (including 2 antisemitic ones, not included in the above count) that should be hidden for being double posts.

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So this offends your pc sensibilities does it Asher? Well I hate to think what NZ would be like if you or anyone who thinks in such a contradictory way as yourself were in the beehive. Like so many of the 'leftie lemmings' on this site you demand banishment of any speech incompatible with your own. You are no better than the politicians you despise; while they hide behind fiscal policies, you hide behind "editorial policies".

It is actually not what you believe that makes me react in this way, but the contradictory methods you attempt to use to enforce your beliefs. Please think about this Asher (and Scott Hamilton too) because ultimately it discredits you and indirectly what you believe you are standing for.

Re: Hypocrisy Exists only when Noticed... hi Asher and Scott

There is nothing contradictory about refusing to publish fabrications. Particularly when those fabrications only serve the purpose of generating racial hatred.

Re: Re: Hypocrisy Exists only when Noticed... hi Asher and Scott

Check the European Census Figures for that period.
There is something wrong with the Jewish claims of 6 million dead.

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asher goldman you are fucked in the head,so your oppion anit worth fucken shit

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"""Please think about this Asher""""

the filthy lil kike censor does just that!! he despises someone highlighting his treatment of gentiles. asher &amp; his jew ilk are what is wrong with our earth, truth haters.

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"""Judging by your mixing up of the Talmud and Torah, you've read neither."""

I have read enough of both to know a fraud when I see it. jews muslims,n christians are the fraud of the age, warmongering Lairs afraid people are going to find out hey are ALL pagan idolators.jews just murder &amp; lie little more than the rest.