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Tamati Kruger and the Nation of Tuhoe


Whakarongo ki te korero mo Tuhoe

Tamati Kruger of Ngai Tuhoe spoke on the Sunday programme on TV1 on 28th October 2007.

There are 2 parts to it. Please listen to both.

Tamati is a Tuhoe spokesperson and historian with some things tauiwi need to hear and start thinking and talking about. It is not a time to ignore the korero but to to listen and learn. If there is any problem coming out of this violence that is taking place it is that tauiwi are so misinformed about maori and more to the point about Tuhoe. I suggest we stop guessing and just start listening. Close our mouths for a while as Tuhoe teach us who they are and why they so strongly stick to their beleifs and customs.

Why the mamae/hurts must be addressed before any of us can move on. There are Tuhoe right accross the country. Maybe we need to invite them to our hui or maybe better still maybe we would be better off going to see them at their many marae. I for one would love to go visit my whanau in the rohe of Tuhoe.

For me I feel the hurt from all the whanau still in prision and call for their imediate release but mostly I feel the hurt of Ngai Tuhoe as expressed so well by Tamamti. I cry for the hurt that has once again been dump on Tuhoe since the day the european turned up in Aotearoa. I cant stop that hurt my Tuhoe whaanau are feeling but I can tautoko to mamae, to tangi, to karanga.

Lets journey with Tuhoe. Lets use this time to learn more about each other. To grow, to learn, to teach and to listen to each other. Lets walk and talk. Lets go to each other houses/ngaa whare, to ngaa marae and lets just be there for each other. Yes we need to march and we need to act but we also need to learn and teach.

Kia kaha to you all as you strive to get a whanaungatanga with your friends. This is a very important part of the struggle.

Lastly, to Tuhoe. Thanks for your koha, your koha of knowledge, of aroha, of understanding, of teaching, of learning. Not all of us are deaf and have our wairua turned off. Keep talking and most of all keep beleiving in all.



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I notice you spell Tame Iti in two different ways. This is the correct spelling.

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To Anonymous: This person mentioned here is not Tame Iti.This is Tamati Kruger a member of the Tribe of Tuhoe and the interview is based on him.Cheers

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Thanks for the clarification

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Kia ora
Thanks for posting that link. I'm not really a fan of the Sunday show, although its good that Tamati Kruger made an effort to speak to the mainstream media i guess.

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Where do New Zealand activists stand on Tuhoe self-determination? Do Marxists and anarchists support the right of Tuhoe to set up a state? Last night on TV Tamati Kruger said that Tuhoe wanted independence.

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Theres a difference between states and determination, in the sense indigenous peoples talk of it.

Anarchists will tend to support the rights of a people to self determine, because we want these things for our self, and its only moral to support it for others. None are free till we all are.

Perhaps when Tuhoe people are finally free from the biggest boss of all, the state, Anarchists within the Tuhoe people can then explore problems of power within their own community, but significantly it is not up for the non Tuhoe to tell them how to live.

I realise there are theoretical tensions between Anarchism and "indigenous nationalism", but Anarchists above all know that the people must determine for themselves.

If , when we are all free, some chose not to be free from the perspective of the Anarchist, thats OK! They chose that. They might think we are not free as well. Thats OK too! As long as that decision has not been made by some colonist for our communitys

Basically first things first. Lets break what cant be fixed, then we can build what we want to build.

(btw, I'm an Aussie anarchist, but I'm basing this answer on my own experiences as a comrade to the struggles for indigenous rights here. So read this as not speaking for the Maori indigenous folk , or non anarchists. Just speaking for myself.).

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Socialists make a distinction between the nationalism of the oppressors and the nationalism of the oppressed. We do this not because we are nationalists--on the contrary, we oppose the elevation of any nation over that of another, or the elevation of one culture over another.

Precisely because we are internationalists we argue for full equality between nations, and that such equality can only be established by granting oppressed nations the right to self-determination. Only in this way can workers in the oppressed countries unite with workers in the oppressor country.

These ideas were first developed by Marx around the question of England’s oppression of Ireland. "In all the big industrial centers in England," wrote Marx, "there is a profound antagonism between the Irish proletariat and the English proletariat. The average English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers wages…He regards him somewhat like the poor whites of the Southern states of North America regard their black slaves. This antagonism among the proletarians of England is artificially nourished and supported by the bourgeoisie. It knows that this antagonism is the true secret of maintaining its power."

Marx concluded therefore that socialists must support Ireland’s separation from England. "It is a precondition of the emancipation of the English working class," he argued, "to transform the present forced union (i.e. the enslavement of Ireland) into equal and free confederation if possible, into complete separation if need be."

He applied the same methodology to slavery in the U.S. South, arguing that working-class emancipation could not be accomplished without destroying slavery. "Labor in the white skin can never free itself as long as labor in the black skin is branded," he argued in his monumental work Capital.

Lenin compared the right of self-determination to the right of divorce (writing at a time when it was difficult for a woman to obtain one). We support the ability of women to dissolve a marriage not because we want all marriages to break up, he argued, but because equality of the sexes cannot exist where women are legally bound to their husbands.

Likewise with national oppression. Workers’ unity cannot be built without workers in an imperialist or oppressor country supporting the right of self-determination of the oppressed nation.

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The Workers Party opposes all forms of Maori nationalism, because it says there is no such thing as a Maori nation. This is their view, from indymedia a couple of months ago:

'Maori Sovereignty

Another posting is needed to go into all the reasons that the the left should Maori sovereignty, but it is important to point out that Maori nationalism rests on the idea that Maori are a separate nation. However there is no separate Maori nation nor was there ever one. Indeed the word Maori was not used to describe the population of the iwi existing in the pre-European period, and only came into general usage in the late 1800s. Instead, in New Zealand the development of capitalism has created a new nation out of diverse peoples who came here at different points in time. These people are now highly intermixed, intermarried and interbred. This has meant that the ethnic categories of Maori, pakeha etc are all essentially relative and increasingly meaningless.

Although radicals and liberals often like to draw comparisons between the Maori sovereignty cause and foreign struggles for national liberation, such a comparison immediately points up the problems with the very conceptions used by these groups in New Zealand.

National liberation movements represent specific oppressed nations, not the thoroughly intermixed population of a junior imperialist country like New Zealand. National liberation movements are forged explicitly against tribalism, while the “new Maori radicals” emphasise tribalism. National liberation movements also reject fighting for return of long-gone tribal lands, emphasising instead the rights of landless tenant farmers, agricultural workers etc to land through the division of big colonial landholdings. National liberation movements are modernising social forces. They challenge colonialism not because it uprooted past local cultural traditions but because it is an obstacle to modernity and progress. They understand that there can be no return to pre-capitalist modes of production.

Colonial powers attempting to prevent national liberation, on the other hand, maintain (and even create) tribal divisions, often even making out that these represent separate nations. The attempt of the apartheid regime to make out that there were a whole number of different nations in South Africa is a classic case of this. In contrast, those fighting apartheid stressed that there was a single South African nation, created historically by social, economic and political developments in the country. It was only on this basis that the apartheid system was shaken to its core.'

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there has never been a maori/tuhoe nation?

what was there between 1872 and 1916 in tuhoe country?

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Kia ora ano nga tangata

So need to do some real listening here. I am not here to educate but to suggest learning. We need to take responsibility for our own learning. Go where Tuhoe are and sit and listen. You just might hear something you have never heard before.
I know you will if you take the time. That is the wero to you all.

Come on lets sit with Tuhoe. They are an awesome Nation of people.

Taku aroha ki Te Manamotuhake O Tuhoe

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Can someone please delete this spam, cheers.

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This man is a giant. How can I support him?